Yo . Not JUST the wall street journal my man but many sorces. If you want to close your eyes and not see thats ok.Paying no attention to facts does not make them go away...Oh yea ,They have measured the ice caps and it shows the caps are getting smaller but I guess you think thats just a plot too,,,,,,,LOL Let see YOUR evidence CASE IN POINT made

 

Answer me these:

How many global warming/cooling cycles have occurred in the past?

Why should they not ever happen to our generation?

How long have we been able to determine a true, average global temperature?

What chemical is the number one contributor to global warming AND cooling?


Jason

 

Evidence
The American Spectator : You've Got to Have Heartland

****load of evidence
APC: More Issues > Articles >Obama Wants a Climate Czar...

But, I suspect you're merely trolling, so I doubt you'll bother to address any of the points in these links.

 

As far as I know there has been atleast three cooling cycles and atleast two warming cycles. First cooling cycle is from when hot matter condensed and cooled to form our planet. Second cooling cycle would be the first ice age and the third is the mini ice age of the late 1600`s to the mid 1700`s. Those are what I know off the top of my head. The heating up cycles happened after the first ice age and then the mini ice age.

But I found it interesting about how when the number of weather montoring stations dropped in the 1990`s the global average temperature shot up.

 

What is AMERICAN SPECTATOR or AMERICAN POLICY CENTER? Gez man use real sorces....Im not pointing a polictical finger or talking about the stuff your gas burner is dumping into the air Im just saying there is REAL evidence of global warming.........the WALL STREET JOURNAL is at least a well respected well known media........ lets keep it real

 

Here's a interesting tidbit from 193 years ago...

The Summer(?) of 1816

 

Ok heres what I keep hearing the media saying

"Carbon Dioxide is a known greenhouse gas as well as contributing to smog."

Sadly thats not right Smog is not created through Carbon Dioxide. Its a combination of sunlight, NOx and VOCs. Another thing if Carbon Dioxide is a known greenhouse gas then how are we going to stop it? After all everytime you or I or any other living animal breathes out Carbon Dioxide. If people dont start using their head soon I wouldnt doubt if the enviromentalist and government take and tax people on their output of cabon dioxide when they breathe out.

Another thing Plants take in Carbon Dioxide and use that aswell as sun through photosysthisis to create sugar and food for the plant and the plant gives off Oxygen.

"Carbon Monoxide is causing global warming."

There are oh so many things wrong with this media comment I have seen thrown around. When Carbon Monoxide is exposed to the sun it quickly is rendered inert an becomes Carbon Dioxide.

The sun renders alot inert. Thats why the government uses those planes spraying what is known as "Chem" trails. They are not weather control they are spraying chemicals and biological samples at high altitude so the suns rays will destory it which I bet doesnt work every last time.

Either way you want to cut it the planet warms up and cools down on its own. Man kind does not have enough effect to throw the earth out of balance. You say ice is melting, okay it might be melting but the earth is also getting ready for a pole shift which has happened in the past. In the past the "north pole" and Greenland were situated on the equator in the past. So yea ice will melt but after the pole flips the ice will then reform. Not to mention the sun is entering a more active cycle than ever before and is putting out more heat and solar flares. Not to mention we are getting close to where our plantary plane is lineing up with the galatic plane.

So who knows whats going on but man made global warming is nothing but a government ploy to get people to buy new cars and make money off a ignorant people. Just like this digital TV. Digital is a weaker signal tan Analog and god knows how much trouble ive had with my new tv and with a external antenna outside. One TV shows perfect and the TV in the other room hooked up to the same antenna just will not get that same station it just sits there frozen. Some times it does it some times it doesnt.

Hell I have even heard about how they ar talking about going digital on car radios so you have to buy one of those analog to digital converter boxes for your car radio. I dont know how true or if they are even planning that but that wouldnt suprise me if they did. Its a way to rake in the money just like the stop light cameras. They shorten the yellow light, they go with these stupid stop lights that you cant see which light is lit up till you are right ontop of it and then you get a ticket in the mail even if you were in what used to be known as "the point of no return" where your vehicle is too close to stop but too far away to beat the light turning red. I have ran into that before and the judge simply said I should have attempted to stop my 4,000 lb car traveling at 40 mph with less than 200 feet from where I was at when the light turned yellow to the internsection. I am not going to warp my rotors to stop that heavy of a car that quickly. I have already replaced the rotors twice because they warped after having to hit the brakes hard.

 

Good stuff Rusty!

Methane is the only real dangerous "greenhouse gas". If people would just realize that that CO, CO2, and NO aren't "greenhouse gasses" this whole stupid mess would go away and we could deal with our real problems.

There are HUUUUGE deposits of methane under the ocean and on the ocean floor, these underwater lakes of methane are the only real "greenhouse" danger and are curently being released naturally from the ocean floor in Huge amounts. We need to let/encourage our energy companies to mine these deposits, both to provide energy and for our climates safety.

Secondly we here in the U.S. (and Canada) face a HUUGE danger from the caldera (super volcano) under yellowstone park. If this caldera was to erupt it would kill billions worlwide. We must draw the heat/energy out of this caldera through use of the geo-thermal energy, which while were at it could power much of our nation.

These are real problems that must be adressed, even the worse, false predections of "man made global warming" are nothing compared to the dangers from these two natural events. We are for the first time in the history of the earth in a position to change the course of our climate for the better.

But if we don't WAKE UP and face our real problems that we can do something about. Instead of arguing over the fake and minor dangers of "man made global warming" just because it is politicaly expedient only a few of us will live to regret it.

 

I agree, something has to be done with yellowstone as well as other "super volcanos" that are situated under the ocean that can cause huge super tsunami`s off our eastern and western coast. The methane is the bigger problem. Methane can be used to create power. Such as some comericals showing that they are using methane gas from land fills to create electrical power.

But you will have those that want to go too far. I remember reading an article from some enviromentalist nutcases that are or have got the california government (dont know if they did or didnt havent heard anything else on it) but wanted the farmers with cows pay a globalwarming fee cause those cows when they "pass gas" is releasing global warming methane into the atmosphere.

But I agree that the sooner people wake up and see that naturally occuring "chemicals" like Carbon Dioxide, Oxygen, Carbon Monixide is not global warming problems. It all switches back and forth when it is tossed back an forth between animals and plants.

Sun converts Carbn Monxide into Carbon Dioxide, animals breathe out carbon dioxide, plants take it in and put out oxygen that we then take in. Theres nothing wrong with that cycle its other problems that are way more dangerous that are being ignored.

 

How rediculus is that, regulating cow farts, stupid. The amounts of methane released off the coast of Kalifornia, are huge compared to all cow farts worldwide.

Rusty you may have a better understanding of this then I. What natural process brakes down methane in the atmosphere? Sunlight? Or is it heavy and thus absorbed on the ground? Now thinking about it, it is too heavy to rise into the atmosphere isn't it?

 

I honestly dont know. I never researched Methane. I do how ever know when Methane is burned with oxygen being present, carbon dioxide and water is created.

 

That is true with all Hydrocarbon combustion, including all our trucks. People don't realize that most of the "smoke" in our exhaust isn't smoke at all it's water vapour/steam. In combustion HC(HydroCarbon Fuel) breaks down and combines with O2(Oxygen)to become CO2(Carbon Dioxide) and H2O(Water), that's all. The only "polution" comes from incomplete combustion. But much of the goverments "emissions" regulations in an attempt to lower NOx (Oxides of Nitrogen) have forced engine designers to lower compression ratios in an attempt to lower combustion temps. Making our engines less efficient, and making it harder to complete combustion in the cylinder.

Things are getting better though, in the last few years engines have gotten better. With a new breed of small bore, high compression, pentroof engines. In perticular the new Miller and Atkinson cycle engines.

 

Shipboy please tell me exactly when the NY times actually became a true scientific paper. You were given several websites that debunked the myth that is being prepetuated on the american public that would make Bernie Madoff look like a piker and yet you claim ONLY your sources are credible.
Well here is a web site of people that actually study polar bears

Polar Bears International - Ask The Experts

Please note the population INCREASE of polar bears from a mear 5,000 in the 50s to 20-25,000 now. so where are all these dead and drowning polar bears.

Fact is the whole myth is based on 4 read again FOUR dead polar bears.

You suggested that others actually do some searching well maybe you should. Like the fact that on 1 side the polar cap is shrinking true fact and even some glacers are shrinking BUT the other side of the polar cap is GROWING and there is more glacers INCREASING in size then there is decreasing.
not only that but even your own side is admitting global warming may not be the truth because now they call it global climate change. geeeee why would you change the name if warming is such a fact?
Here is a few more facts for you
Over 2,000 of the scientist that the UN relies on for their paper about global warming have signed a petition asking their names be removed because their work was twisted to meet an agenda.
FACT all global warming is caused by the sun,
FACT the sun has been on it's normal high energy cycle and is now beginning to decline just like it has done for years and things will cool down based on the reduced energy of the sun.
FACT as measured by both infrared and actual NASA probes every singel planet in the solar system is experiencing GLOBAL WARMING and man doesn't have any gas guzzlers on Venus.
FACT there has been many warming and cooling cycles in history and this one is actually mild in comparison to most
FACT 800 yrs ago England had a climate similar to S. CA does now.

Oh and all your "facts" about shrinking glaciers and ice packs and dying polar bears is 2-5yrs out of date even though AL Gore and CO try to keep claiming it.
Global warming fraudsters dismayed by growing ice and expanding polar bear population | Daily Newscaster

The "global warming" alarmist are the largest scam on teh face of the planet, but unlike Madoff they are scamming from the poorer people to make themselves even richer (amazing how they can't catch any of the email scammers and other people that pray on the elderly etc, but caught and actually imprisoned a guy that hit the rich)
Got to give the green movement credit though, they managed to figure out how to sell you a golf cart for $40,000 and make you proud that you bought it (hybrids are glorified gas powered golf carts, it's not new technology, been around for decades) Then make you feeel even better about getting a tax rebate THAT YOU PAID FOR.

 

well low compression have been around a long time till the muscle car era when compression shot through the roof. NOx shot up but most of those engines burned all the fuel soyou didnt have hydrocarbons being released into the atmosphere to create smog. Only places that had smog was like Hollywood which is nothing but a city situated in a valley where air cant come in and circulate to clean out the air.

My 56 came from the factory with a 202hp Y8 with 8.4:1 compresson. My 78 came from the factory with a 145bhp V8 351 with 8.5:1 compression. What helped my engine out was that she has a EGR valve so instead of lowering the compression to resolve NOx they desided to pump exhaust fumes into the engine off idle to take up space raise the compression some basically and use less fuel to fill the same area. Its a good idea and I have to say 0 to 60 mph of 6.7 seconds in Drive in a 4,000 lb car with a 2.50:1 rear axle and a 145hp 351 is pretty good. Engine is more of a trq engine.

But that is another problem, higher engine speeds as well as hotter engine temperatures equal more efficent engine operation and less emissions as well as better fuel control and consumption.

 

What about those tree hugging enviromentalist that said that oil pipeline in alaska would kill off wild life.

It is very funny cause the heated pipes to get the oil flowing in the cold weather has actually increased wild life cause they are hanging around for the warmth.