Hi, I'm back.

Sorry it took so long. But the picture Ross posted threw me for a loop (gotta watch him every minute). I looked at it, and thought I had assembled my windows wrong. So I went out and tried to take them apart and put them back together the way Ross' picture showed and they absolutely would not work that way.

I'm not saying Ross is pulling your leg or his is assembled wrong, I'm saying be prepared to be flexible - in typical Ford fashion there may be more than one way this was produced.

Here's the story. The 44-52 Ford Body Parts Catalog Bill mentioned is in reprint, but it's reduced in size and the very few useful illustrations in it are VERY difficult to read. I have an original 11 1/2x 8 1/2 (which is probably what he was mentioning - finding originals) full size and I scanned the drawing. Here it is:



And here is a photo of all the parts layed out - in case you need to make some:



For some reason, I have a small spring washer (the really thin warped kind) on mine as well that isn't called out in the drawing - beats me.

OK. On mine, I had the large fat washer installed on the bottom side of the loop instead of the inside next to the teardrop washer as Ross' picture shows. I took it apart and tried to install mine as his picture showed - like this (note the skinny washer - greased as he mentioned - on the bottom:



Unfortunately no matter how hard I tried, and no matter how many times I took it apart and flipped washers over, the flared part of the shaft stopped the window from being installed all the way in when both the egg shaped and the fat washer were installed inside the loop. Like this - note the gap between the bottom of the window and the rubber seal at the shaft:



So, I reinstalled it the way I originally had it and it all fit tight. The flared part of the shaft holds the egg shaped washer in place, and the window fits in all the way - no gap - no explanation. Got a secret Ross? Here's the picture of it installed that way with the rest of the hardware in place:



A couple of notes for when you are putting this together so you don't have a bad word deficit next month:



First, when installing the egg shaped washer, the pointy end points forward when the window is closed in it's frame, and the lip cast around the square hole goes on the top to contact the retainer on the shaft.

Second, the thin washer that goes between the loop and the spring has a thin lip to it (or mine may actually be worn down that way). If your washer has a lip, the face with the lip contacts the spring and that face points down toward the spring.

Third, the spring itself measures 13/16 in uncompressed length; is 3/4 inch in diameter from outside edge to outside edge; and, the diameter of the actual spring thickness is 3/16 of an inch.

Forth, as Ross mentioned, BOTH the shaft AND the lock base are riveted in place. Picture:



Why is this important? Because in this case, now you know you can replace the shaft. But, little known fact is that the 48-50 and 51/52 windows are interchangeable in the vehicles, but they are different in that the 51/52 latch has a push pin lock on the handle. That requires a different lock base. So, if you are looking for a vent window for your 51/52 that has a locking handle, and all you can find is the 48-50 that doesn't have it (or vice versa) YOU CAN CONVERT IT to what you want it to be by drilling the rivets and replacing the lock base. The bases are available at the restopartsplaces.

Have fun and if you need any more pics let me know. I'll have these out for another two weeks.

PS Bill I know this is a nomenclature massacre - I tried to find all the right names - feel free to edit as necessary.

 

Julie, since you have the 1944/52 body parts catalog, what is the Ford part number for that spring?

22926 is only the basic part number (which you mis-typed in the pic as 22962).

The complete part number will be something like this: 8C-8122926-A or mebbe 8A-7022926-A if the same as a car.

btw: Who has that reprinted catalog? I need one.

 

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the catch on the picture number. I'm getting cixelsid in my old age.

Those reprints are on e-bay all the time, but as much as youwould use one I might hold out until another original shows up there. Shoot I just GAVE one of the repros away in a prats trade, if I had known you needed it I woul dhave given it to you.

Here's a couple on e-bay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1944-...QQcmdZViewItem

This one may be an original (note the holes) and is a 52 edition. It's a different color than mine (56 edition) which is creame and blue like the reprints yet full size. The reprints have been reduced to 5x7 or maybe 6x8.

Here's the cheapest one on e-bay (expensive and I did not think worth the price) My original was $10.

eBay Motors: 1944-1952 Ford Car Truck Body Parts List Book Manual (item 370108085018 end time May-04-09 12:07:57 PDT)

Well on the full part number, it states that the "group numbers are shown on the illustration only. Refer to group for complete part numbers" When I look in the tables, it doesn't have the spring number specifically, just the assembly number for the whole window. Which for 48-50 (Body type C81) is: 7C-8121402-C (left .....403-C is the right one) for 48-50; 1C-8121402-A (left....403 is right one) for 51 and 52. I can't find the specific spring number in the table at all (or any of the other sub assembly part numbers either). This book is kinda funky - not my favorite!

 

Well, I ain't taking mine out again! I've done it 3 times already!

Mine could well be worn to the point it slips thru, and yours (if new) might need some "work". The concept as I saw it was that the spring pressure is purely to hold it in position, and the "flared part" sets the depth of the frame in the rubber. Otherwise the spring would pull the frame down into the rubber too far. (the reason for my 2nd disassembly) So the flare should bottom on whatever sets the window frame at the correct elevation in the rubber. To be honest, yours looks close to right in the 2nd picture -- except your frame is 180* from how it should sit (because it's in a vise most likely). Mine kept hanging up in the rubber, have you checked that?

 

Here's a picture of the bottom half of the frame assembled with rubber installed. It's a perfect fit, and as you can see I only have the teardrop washer inside the loop. That square stop on the shaft is what is stopping the window from being pulled down any further at this point.



But the more I think about it the more I'm thinking yours is right. What I think is supposed to happen is the flair on the shaft is supposed to fit INTO the teardrop washer and be stopped from pulling through by the fat washer. Then it would fit right with the fat washer inside the loop and be able to drop down far enough in the frame.

Unfortunately contrary to my expressed wishes when I had the wings rechromed, they also chromed the hardware. And now that teardrop washer may just have enough extra metal on it to prevent it from seating the way it's supposed to.

I think I'll go out and take a triangle file to the inside of that square hole and see if I can't really screw it up!

If I get it fixed I'll repost new pics!

Edit note: Nope, No way. I took it apart again and the hole is significantly smaller than that part of the shaft. So contrary to my own prediction, I decided not to fool with it. I also noticed (and you can see this in the picture of the parts layed out in post #16) that the inside corners of both the teardrop and the fat washer are not square - they are beveled to fit the beveled part of the shaft. Those holes would have to be square corners to fit over that **** on the shaft - very odd.

What I will do though is update the post with pictures of my old ones when I take them out. If the new ones are over chromed so they don't fit right, I'll use the old ones on the new frames - who's going to see they aren't chromed - but that's a couple weeks off. In the mean time, for other users, I'd try it both ways and see what works on yours.

That's one thing I like about big old metal trucks. Sometimes the parts may not be 100% right, but if it works, it works.

 

Does anyone know a place that has salvage truck parts or someone that maybe I can find a bad vent window and steal the parts I need?

 

Well rotsa ruck on that. Those vent windows are usually fairly hard to come by and fairly expensive. I've seen some go for a lot and some go cheap. I bought a spare pair and one was $25 the other was $100. And, the $25 one was in better shape.

There are some on e-bay at the moment that have busted glass and look like leftovers from a train wreck rummage sale, but the hardware looks good. Looks the same as my set-up with the fat washer under the loop - still wondering if there could be different set-ups on those. I'm hoping Bill might be able to dig something up. The Body Parts catalog we were discussing above is a tough one for me to figure out, but I'm sure he could do it in seconds.

Here are the links for the ones on e-bay:

eBay Motors: 1950 ford truck wing windows (item 250401710921 end time Apr-11-09 20:19:18 PDT)

A couple of other suggestions. First look in the FTE swap meet pages, and second scout around through e-bay parts and note who is selling a lot of bonus built parts. There are usually a couple guys parting out trucks or who own yards. Write to them and ask them if they have the hardware or a set of rusted out wings.

Also, write a PM to 51PanelMan here. His name is Ilya and he's got all kinds of stuff.

 

My frames came back from the powder coat, and they had drilled out the rivets and disassembled the hardware; so now I don't know the correct order. I do remember not having spare washers (very thin brass ?) which may go inside the frame hardware under the egg shaped washer.

Anyone know for sure the proper install order?

Tom

 

Still waiting for rivets to arrive; need help on proper assembly of hardware. First the bottom "T" shaped swivel bracket (technical Ford terminology); it is slightly angled, does it install angled to the front or back ? I would think it would angle to the front to make it perpendicular to the window divider post.

Second; any word back on the proper alignment of all the washers etc ?

Tom

 

Tom, If you don’t get the info you need I’m going to be taking mine out as I am going one piece glass, so I could get a picture for you (and then sell them).

 

Did you look at Juilies post with the part numbers, cat page and picture?

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...ml#post7363093

 

To quote Julie:
The flared part of the shaft holds the egg shaped washer in place, and the window fits in all the way - no gap .

I was able to find a couple vent window frames, and the install is as Julie states, I found two brass slip washers, one installed beneath the eliptical part, inside the framed bracket, and one directly beneath, in the order Julie stated, as shows in the picture.



Also note that the bottom window "stem" and frame bracket, angle towards the front of the vent frame.


Tom

 

ive got 2 extra sets if ya havent found one yet

 

oh and mine are untouched if ya want me to snap a few pics of the spring area

 

Just in case tip49 (Tom) doesn’t see you post I think he got some from a wrecking yard / friend last week when he and Julie where discussing the kind of unresolved rivet situation in another post.