Calculate the value of your benefits package and add it in. It will probably take you up to $50 an hour.

You're up to $104,000 a year now.

 

Agree. its way out of balance for other jobs out there. $30 an hr to put screw A in hole B and tighten for 8 hrs a day

You are making more than my wife as a teacher with a Masters degree in Education...
Explain the rational of that to me???

Oh wait. I can explain it... America has seriously misplaced its values and totally disregarded the value and importance of education and the value that should be placed on those we charge with the some ofe most important jobs in our country. Education the children that will be America's future... Yeah politicians talk the talk but don't walk the walk when it comes to education funding...

Teachers are paid via tax money.. America is so obsessed with lower taxes that they would rather save a few bucks than pay the tax that is needed to have a first rate education system. in the same vein, politicians want to keep their jobs so they preach tax cuts constantly... None of them have the ***** to say what is really needed.. Look around, our misplaced priorities are making us fall further and further behind the rest of the world... Back to the topic those thousands of union workers are going to be out on their a$$ as unskilled labor jobs continue to shift out of the US and those businesses are going to be obsolete...
Sorry but its pure capitalism that we have championed. make the best product you can for the lowest cost and biggest profit... thus ship unskilled labor to other countries where its more cost effective...
There is definitely a double standard going on here. On the one hand everyone is moaning about this socialist trend happening in the US at the same time blaming business and government for outsourcing jobs under the very premise of Capitalism that America had championed!!! YOur unskilled assembly line job is a $15-20 an hr job at most including all your benefits.... imagine if the rest of retail did the same as the UAW.. $30 hr plus benefits for flipping burgers and wiping tables at McDonalds.. your Big Mac would cost like $15 is that reasonable? I am guessing I know the answer. Then why is making $30-$50 or more an hour for the same type of unskilled labor fair?

 

You pretty much summed it up.

People complain about going to socialist ways when capitalism basically brought us to where we are now, not that capitalism won't work it's just how it's implemented.

As far as the teachers, your speaking to the choir when you tell me. My mother is a teacher and the pay is not up to par at all, here in Texas they're not even considered state employees, don't know about elsewhere. Talk about a highly underpaid profession.

 

Sorry, South Dakota has you beat. 51st in the nation in teacher pay for how many years in a row?

 

In Japan, china and many other parts of the world, Teaching is considered a very noble and honorable profession. Thus it also receives the respect and pay it deserves. I believe I read in NEA Today. My wife's teacher union magazine that the US education quality is like 37th in the world.
Oh and my wife joined the union which is voluntary for the legal protection and representation. they give her $1 million liability coverage, she pays like $54 a month and they do not have any involvement in pay or contract negotiation.. she gets paid the same as a non-union teacher. So yes Unions have there place and that is a good example but the UAW has outlived its usefulness. its really strong arming the companies and its going to/has cost lots of union workers their jobs already...

 

My mom also has a union and is a member, but this union is WORTHLESS. You call them for any problems you have and they can't help you and instead refer you to the TEA (Texas Education Agency) so all unions are different as I'm sure you know.

The thing with the UAW is that they strayed very far from what they were put their to do in the first place which is to protect workers rights, working conditions, equal opportunity, etc. I believe if they went back to their roots, there would be much less conflicts than what there currently is.

 

The UAW and CAW are our countries two strongest unions. Once they fall, which is inevitable as it's been designed to do so, the rest will crumble or like some already, be just a shell.

Then you'll only have the government to rely on for you and your families best interests.

 

The govt has been the problem and the unions have worked the govt so much that they have helped take us toward govt reliance IMHO!

Best thing that could happen to GM is bankruptcy! Clear out the ridiculous union contracts. It wont be as bad as politicians try to make it sound if they go through it. In fact the sooner the better! The longer they wait the harder it will be on everyone involved. **** Polosi (how ever you spell her name) said millions of jobs would be lost, but it is not like GM would disappear. Even if it had to be liquidated the assets would be bought up by other companies with good balance sheets. They want to make it sound as bad as possible so everyone thinks we need to sink another trillion or two into the economy and give the govt a bigger role in all of our lives!

 

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