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im looking for a bellhousing to put a T-10 onto a Ford FE352 engine..... i think i can make a throwout bearing work off of the trans input shaft so im not worried about any kind of throwout arm but i cant seem to find anyone who makes a FE block bellhousing that will accept a t-10..... any ideas? thanks in advance, Sean
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T10. You have one already? If not, forget it. Get a Ford toploader instead. T10 is a good trans, but I was not able to get parts or get one fixed 20 years ago and I doubt it's better now. The toploader, on the other hand, can be had "new" and all parts etc are available. (maybe the same for the T10, but I can't be bothered looking for that right now)
Back to your situation. A T10 for a Ford application (GM is different) and a toploader are exactly the same in most cases. This is because prior to the introduction of the toploader, Ford used the T10. In a rare display of common sense with regard to transmission patterns, the toploader was identical to the T10 as far as bolting it in. (Mustang/Mustang, not Mustang/Galaxie for example)
SO, any CAR bell for the FE should accept a Ford patterned T10.
If you have a GM patterned trans, you can buy a scatter shield with the multiple patterns. $400-500 or so. Or you can horse trade for a toploader.
Truck bells are sometimes a little deeper, or so I've read.
More information:
David Kee Toploader Transmissions, Inc.
Some bells here, note brand name, also check Summit, Jegs, and direct with Lakewood etc.
Modern Driveline, Inc. - bellhousing
T10. You have one already? If not, forget it. Get a Ford toploader instead. T10 is a good trans, but I was not able to get parts or get one fixed 20 years ago and I doubt it's better now. The toploader, on the other hand, can be had "new" and all parts etc are available. (maybe the same for the T10, but I can't be bothered looking for that right now)
Back to your situation. A T10 for a Ford application (GM is different) and a toploader are exactly the same in most cases. This is because prior to the introduction of the toploader, Ford used the T10. In a rare display of common sense with regard to transmission patterns, the toploader was identical to the T10 as far as bolting it in. (Mustang/Mustang, not Mustang/Galaxie for example)
SO, any CAR bell for the FE should accept a Ford patterned T10.
If you have a GM patterned trans, you can buy a scatter shield with the multiple patterns. $400-500 or so. Or you can horse trade for a toploader.
Truck bells are sometimes a little deeper, or so I've read.
More information:
David Kee Toploader Transmissions, Inc.
Some bells here, note brand name, also check Summit, Jegs, and direct with Lakewood etc.
Modern Driveline, Inc. - bellhousing
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thanks man.... well im not opposed to having a ford tranny but the t 10 gm pattern i already is supposed to already having been gone through, set up, and ready to rip so i was just trying to save some dough.... thanks much for the info..... otherwise i could just bolt a top loader into the original FE truck belhousing that was on the motor when i got it.... hmmm.... whats a good price for a good used working toploader ford pattern trans???
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T-10's with FE engines:
1961 Custom/Galaxie 352/390
1962 Custom/Galaxie 352/390/406.
1963 Custom/Galaxie 352/390/406/427.
1964 Custom/Galaxie 390/427.
The T-10 was supposedly not available in Country Sedans and County Squires (station wagons), but I've seen two that were factory installed.
1961/64 Mercury Monterey's, Marauders and S-55's were also available with T-10's, but did come with 352's.
T-10's with FE engines:
1961 Custom/Galaxie 352/390
1962 Custom/Galaxie 352/390/406.
1963 Custom/Galaxie 352/390/406/427.
1964 Custom/Galaxie 390/427.
The T-10 was supposedly not available in Country Sedans and County Squires (station wagons), but I've seen two that were factory installed.
1961/64 Mercury Monterey's, Marauders and S-55's were also available with T-10's, but did come with 352's.
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thanks man.... well im not opposed to having a ford tranny but the t 10 gm pattern i already is supposed to already having been gone through, set up, and ready to rip so i was just trying to save some dough.... thanks much for the info..... otherwise i could just bolt a top loader into the original FE truck belhousing that was on the motor when i got it.... hmmm.... whats a good price for a good used working toploader ford pattern trans???
Well, a $500 bell + mix and match clutch disc would be required to bolt the GM trans. But, what's a GM T10 worth? YOu should be able to sell it.
"Good used toploader". Try to find one. I paid $500 in 1980 or so. Some have said they used to get them for that or less. But we are 30+ years down the road now since the last one rolled off the line. Used boxes may be hard to find, and in poor condition when you do. This is not an economy box, and most were run hard. I think Kees is about $1000, but you've got the link to find that out.
I think the truck bell is too deep for a car toploader. 6 3/4 vs. 6 14--see:
Bellhousing ID Chart
Keep in mind the cars listed by Numberdummy also came with 3 speed transmissions behind the FE. Same pattern, probably the same exact part. So if you are cruising the scrappy, look for the 3 on the tree. Of course, you might get lucky and find a vehicle with the whole set up.
Not also the toploader shifter (T10 too) is going to come up pretty far back in a truck. Doable, but just be aware.
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C3AZ6392A .. Bellhousing / Obsolete
Fits 1963/64 Ford/Mercury: 352/390/406/427 / 3 Speed Manual / Warner T10 / Ford 4 Speed.
No Ford Dealer or obsolete parts vendor has any.
Try Big M Automotive in Williams CA (NW of Sacramento). Mike might have it.
Fits 1963/64 Ford/Mercury: 352/390/406/427 / 3 Speed Manual / Warner T10 / Ford 4 Speed.
No Ford Dealer or obsolete parts vendor has any.
Try Big M Automotive in Williams CA (NW of Sacramento). Mike might have it.
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well i guess i could just sell the gm t-10....mix and match clutch disc stuff doesnt sound like fun and i really dont need a 500$ SFI scattershield..... i actually have the stock ford trans which was a 3 on the tree when i bought this motor and trans complete from a 66 F100..... the motor is a 352 and it had all stock stuff..... so which trans is the one that was on my motor assuming it was all original? i think it would be a 3 speed since it was a truck and not a sporty car, i do remember the column shift when we pulled the motor /trans combo.......i suppose since it ran and drove it would work okay for now... i just have to see if i can make my hurst shifter setup work on the ford box or source a shifter....... it has a quick change rear end so im not too worried about performance as i can change the gears for my big tires and the Model A its all going in will be very light anyways......awesome information you've provided me with, thanks alot yous guys! cheers, Sean
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hey what about the ford pattern T-10's... is that a pretty decent trans? keep in mind my 7 inch wide bias ply tires and the stock 352 with a 4 barrel arent going to get any major abuse in such a lightweight car.... im not dead set on a T-10, i guess id just like a 4 speed and to be able to buy stock parts for my FE as in clutch, starter, flywheel, etc..... just wondered what your personal opinions were..... i still want to run a hydraulic T.O. Bearing on the snout of the trans plumbed to my wilwood pedal /master cylinder versus trying to make a slave cylinder mount or clutch pedal linkage.....thanks again for the time and sharing knowledge.....Sean
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Or: Borg Warner T-85N 3 Speed Overdrive, which was an option.
The problem with using a T10 today is, replacement parts are very scarce...and expensive when you do find them.
The T-10 was used by Ford, GM, AMC and Studebaker, so there's a lotta cars out there that have them.
I have a T-10 in my 1963 Studebaker R2 Super Hawk. It's the Ford version.
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