Starter envy!!!
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Hey dad, I'm glad it worked out for you.
I was just reading through this thread and wondering...do you think that the starting issues the truck was having a few months back could have been partially due to the old starter beginning to wear out? Just wondered.
I was just reading through this thread and wondering...do you think that the starting issues the truck was having a few months back could have been partially due to the old starter beginning to wear out? Just wondered.
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The faster spin is easily noticeable.
Benjamin, I don't think they are related after all. I have already had a couple of occurrences where it just doesn't want to fire off quickly even though the engine is turning over strongly. The starter is definitely making it as easy as possible for the engine from a turn-over standpoint, but there is still something else going on somewhere. Whatever it is, it won't heal itself and will eventually get bad enough to make itself more obvious. I'm not worried about it right now at all, though.
Benjamin, I don't think they are related after all. I have already had a couple of occurrences where it just doesn't want to fire off quickly even though the engine is turning over strongly. The starter is definitely making it as easy as possible for the engine from a turn-over standpoint, but there is still something else going on somewhere. Whatever it is, it won't heal itself and will eventually get bad enough to make itself more obvious. I'm not worried about it right now at all, though.
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To HT Start or not to HT start?....
Howdiee Folks,
Been around awhile (couple years) reading and Learning(used to be Beast01). Sometimes hard to post because so many questions have been covered. I have to say that this site is a wealth of knowledge. I'm not a mechanic by any right but, listening to all of your great advise has allowed me to replace my CPS, ICP, IPR, straight piped, change filters and oil with confidence and I got brave and did the 6637 (thanks Kwik). 201,089mi and still going strong.
Well, we are having some slow to start issues. 1 Battery tested bad. Replaced with another new Optima (still under warranty). Still started weak. Found out my starter is going. Money is reeeeeal tight but, I'm gonna go with a DB electrical unit. Also found out my water pump bearings are starting to get weak. No leaks though(Airtex maybe? but thats another topic)
3 Questions. High Touque VS. the regular DB starter. Here in AZ it doesn't get that cold. is the extra $ worth it?
On our 02 for those that have an 02 will I or did you have to make clearance grinds for the HT starter or did it silde right in?
Is there any shimming required and how do I do that?
Thanks guys/gals. As always thanks, your help/advise is always appreciated!
Been around awhile (couple years) reading and Learning(used to be Beast01). Sometimes hard to post because so many questions have been covered. I have to say that this site is a wealth of knowledge. I'm not a mechanic by any right but, listening to all of your great advise has allowed me to replace my CPS, ICP, IPR, straight piped, change filters and oil with confidence and I got brave and did the 6637 (thanks Kwik). 201,089mi and still going strong.
Well, we are having some slow to start issues. 1 Battery tested bad. Replaced with another new Optima (still under warranty). Still started weak. Found out my starter is going. Money is reeeeeal tight but, I'm gonna go with a DB electrical unit. Also found out my water pump bearings are starting to get weak. No leaks though(Airtex maybe? but thats another topic)
3 Questions. High Touque VS. the regular DB starter. Here in AZ it doesn't get that cold. is the extra $ worth it?
On our 02 for those that have an 02 will I or did you have to make clearance grinds for the HT starter or did it silde right in?
Is there any shimming required and how do I do that?
Thanks guys/gals. As always thanks, your help/advise is always appreciated!
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The faster spin is easily noticeable.
Benjamin, I don't think they are related after all. I have already had a couple of occurrences where it just doesn't want to fire off quickly even though the engine is turning over strongly. The starter is definitely making it as easy as possible for the engine from a turn-over standpoint, but there is still something else going on somewhere. Whatever it is, it won't heal itself and will eventually get bad enough to make itself more obvious. I'm not worried about it right now at all, though.
Benjamin, I don't think they are related after all. I have already had a couple of occurrences where it just doesn't want to fire off quickly even though the engine is turning over strongly. The starter is definitely making it as easy as possible for the engine from a turn-over standpoint, but there is still something else going on somewhere. Whatever it is, it won't heal itself and will eventually get bad enough to make itself more obvious. I'm not worried about it right now at all, though.
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LoneRanger... Welcome to the site, and thanks for taking the time to post your questions.
Mine is an '02... no clearance grinds required, and no shimming required. Straight bolt-on.
As for the high torque being worth it, the higher torque rating will help not jsut in cold weather, but any time due to it's faster and stronger spin on the engine, which is supposed to give the engine a better starting condition, which can also be of good benefit when one or both batteries begin to weaken.
Mine is an '02... no clearance grinds required, and no shimming required. Straight bolt-on.
As for the high torque being worth it, the higher torque rating will help not jsut in cold weather, but any time due to it's faster and stronger spin on the engine, which is supposed to give the engine a better starting condition, which can also be of good benefit when one or both batteries begin to weaken.
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I need to park next to someone with the HT starter to see how it compares. I got the regular starter from DB and it spins much faster than my old one did. I can't imagine the HT spinning faster, but I'd like to hear the difference.
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From: SE Wisco
You WILL like the new starter. It is ridiculous how well it turns the truck over.
I didn't plan on running my truck when it was -20 up here last month so it wasn't plugged in. I wound up needing it and the truck started right up. It was nuts!!!
Have fun wrestling it up there. That thing is HEAVY to hold with one arm while trying to start a bolt. Did they send you the extra bolt with it???
I didn't plan on running my truck when it was -20 up here last month so it wasn't plugged in. I wound up needing it and the truck started right up. It was nuts!!!
Have fun wrestling it up there. That thing is HEAVY to hold with one arm while trying to start a bolt. Did they send you the extra bolt with it???
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I FORGOT - You have to take advantage of being smarter than him while you can. Eventually you will get old like me and then you will get a lot dumber. It may not be the sole fix in this case, but it HAS to be better than the stocker.I think mine were directly related. I checked all the other crap last winter and still had to plug it in below freezing. Now it starts whenever. I did not change one single thing (related to starting
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Scott... there's no doubt that the new starter is doing a better job than the stocker, but the engine still doesn't actually fire off any better right now. Given that the engine is turning over so much faster and stronger than it was, it leads me to believe that there might really be an oil pressure issue with either the IPR valve or ICP sensor. Then again, I also need to change my fuel filters again as well, but they were not as dirty 5 months ago when this issue first developed, and it really has not gotten any worse since then.
Sooo... I will just keep plodding through things slowly and will eventually arrive at a solution, but the truck is running really good aside from this hesitancy in starting.
Sooo... I will just keep plodding through things slowly and will eventually arrive at a solution, but the truck is running really good aside from this hesitancy in starting.
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Hey thanks for the welcome F250_. I guess I will have to suck it up and spend the extra $$ on the High Tourque Unit. I will be ordering one from DB Elictrical on Friday. I'll post the results when it comes in.
F350-6. While researching my starter issue, I ran into this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIF4S2W2Pdk
This guy seems to know his stuff. videos have been pretty dang helpful to me. Sounds like he has a HT starter in that truck. Is that the same as "gear reduction starter"?
This guy seems to know his stuff. videos have been pretty dang helpful to me. Sounds like he has a HT starter in that truck. Is that the same as "gear reduction starter"?
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F350-6. While researching my starter issue, I ran into this: POWERSTROKEHELP.COM - The Information Source for Ford Power Stroke Diesel Owners
This guy seems to know his stuff. videos have been pretty dang helpful to me. Sounds like he has a HT starter in that truck. Is that the same as "gear reduction starter"?
This guy seems to know his stuff. videos have been pretty dang helpful to me. Sounds like he has a HT starter in that truck. Is that the same as "gear reduction starter"?
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OK. New starter is going in the truck, but I had to interrupt the process long enough to snap a few comparison pics and post up so you folks can SEE the difference between the high-torque starter from DB Electrical and the plain jane stocker.
Needless to say, I was fairly warned about it being "much larger", "a tight fit", "really heavy", "really heavy duty", etc.
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...but I was SHOCKED when I opened the package and saw this monster laying in the box (which felt more like a full-size battery was inside).
Now I get to enjoy the pleasure of putting this puppy in by myself this afternoon!
Obviously... the stock starter is the dirty one on top, and below.... well, you can see for yourself!
Needless to say, I was fairly warned about it being "much larger", "a tight fit", "really heavy", "really heavy duty", etc.
.....
...but I was SHOCKED when I opened the package and saw this monster laying in the box (which felt more like a full-size battery was inside).
Now I get to enjoy the pleasure of putting this puppy in by myself this afternoon!
Obviously... the stock starter is the dirty one on top, and below.... well, you can see for yourself!
When I called DB to order, I had to ask the question "Are they made in China?" When he said yes, I became very sad and said thank you anyway. I just couldn't put Made in China stuff on my truck. Many reasons why but.....!
I try as much as possible to buy American, sometimes you just can't avoid overseas products, and sometimes there's good reason to buy a foreign product.
I'm just passing on my personal thoughts and in NO WAY pass on judgement on your decision. Best of success with you new starter. V/r Les
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Thanks for the tip F350-6. I just also found 121 videos on you tube for this guy. I will definately hanging round here as well. I have read some great advise in these forums. I have to say as a person with little to no mechanical experience, I have felt confident in the instuction here enough to make me want to continue to work on my 7.3 with positive results. Thanks again....