Need some help with engine what will fit what wont. Had a 330,came out with that, now has a 352.

 

Both engines are of the same family. The 330 is a mid size truck engine with a different exhaust design.

The 352 could either be from a car or pickup.

You will have to more specific with your question for more help.



John

 

There are two completely different 330 FT engines. About the only thing they have in common is the cubic inches.

The 330 Medium Duty block is based on the FE 352 and uses a 352 (360 after 1967) crankshaft.

The 330 Heavy Duty shares the same block as the FT 361 and 391. The 330 H/D's crank is the same as the 361.

The 330 M/D uses unique heads which are not the same as the FE heads. The head gaskets are also different.

The 330 H/D heads are the same as the 361/391 heads.

The flywheels are unique to each 330 engine and are not the same as any FE flywheel.

Very few parts interchange between these two 330 engines.

 

First of all, with the right amount of work ANYTHING (within reason) will fit in a 600. I'm gonna guess that your looking for somthing that will more or less bolt in and go?
If that is the case, since there is a 352FE in there now, any form of FE will pretty much bolt in. Anything from a 352 to a 428.

I'm not really sure what kinda information your trying to get here, but with a little more info we can help you out a whole lot more.

What direction are you going? Trying to restore the truck and make it more or less original, or just trying to put it back on the road?

 

If it has a 352, then any FE will bolt in for the most part, aside from any difference of mounts on the side of the block.

 

Bill< Here is a casting number on the block "C6 ME-A". I cant find any other ID on the motor.Talking with the local Ford truck dealer they said it is a 352 block. Ok this summer had to replace water pump and at the parts store matched it with a 352 pump is on and working. Now the mechanic here in town that did the switch 14 years ago said it was a 352 he used a lot of parts from the front end of the old 330 that was in there and also the carb. power steering pump alternator and so on. The motor mounts on a rubber bushing under the cranksahft pulley in front and on back end mounts on a cross piece with 2 a bushing on each side. We looked at a 361HD and they mounted differently. We use this truck here on the farm 14ft grain box and hauling hay right now. A couple of weeks ago lost one cylinder cant get it to fire drenched in oil maybe broken ring. Yesterday lost another one. So as of the moment its out of "service". Hauling hay "small square bales" about 3 tons 40 miles to amish not a big load so was gravel roading it with 7 hitting. So I guess what Iam trying to avoid is buying used engines until we find one that will fit.lol

 

Welcome to FTE

The dealer is full of caca del toro, as there is no way, none that an engine block casting number can determine engine size. **

With a C6ME-A casting number, the engine could be a 352, 390, 410 or 428.

All the 1965 and later 352/360/390/410/428 blocks were cast as 352's, only when they were finished could they be something else.

Most of these blocks have 352 cast on the drivers side corner of the block, but that doesn't mean diddly-squat.

The 352 waterpump is the same one as the 360/390/410/428 engines used from 1965 thru 1976.

It's also the same pump the 1965/72 330 M/D engine used, but it's not the same as a 330 H/D or 361/391 pump.

The only way to determine the engine size without tearing it down is to measure the stroke.

352: 3.50" / 390: 3.78" / 410 & 428: 3.98"

What your mechanic did, was swap the front engine mount and timing cover from the original 330 M/D engine to whatever size FE engine you have.

This is rather common, and the 352's used in 1965/66 F100/250 4WD's, and all F350's mounted the same way, even tho the block itself is the same as the 2WD block.

** That cluck at the dealership you spoke with obviously hasn't read the parts catalog, where it clearly states that "block casting numbers cannot be cross referenced to Ford part numbers."

Since the block part number cannot be determined from a casting number, there is no way to ID the engine size.

 

So, it seems he has an FE engine retrofitted with some 330 parts. Correct?

If so, can't he get ANY good running FE as a replacement and retrofit the parts needed, such as the front cover, mounts, bell, accessories, etc?

Subject to this point:

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So, if it was me, I'd pull that motor and see what's I got, then move from there. Might even be rebuildable if that dead cylinder isn't grooved up. (fat chance of that, methinks..)

Good luck.

 

Ok Bill, We still have the 330 where on that motor could I look for some Id of it. as to what duty engine it is.(md,hd). On the 361 we looked(Tag on it said ,Displacement 361 January 1972 Part#c4tz serial number#844007) they just cut the frame where the mounts bolted on, it came out of a f700 about a 72. They kept the engine thinking they might use it along with transmission. Put the dump box on another truck and scraped the cab and rest all rusted out. Sad thing is, they only wanted $100 for it, out and ready to load. Was told if a 15/16 socket fit the crankshaft pulley nut it was a medium duty engine. Inch and an one eight HD engine. Engine that is in now 15/16ths socket fits the nut. The help much appreciated. thanks

 

15/16ths also fits the pickup engine, at least it did on mine.

 

It's a 330 FT MEDIUM DUTY engine, because parts interchange between it and the FE engine that's in there now.

That would not be the case if it was a 330 FT Heavy Duty engine.

You can use any FE engine to replace what's in there now, whether it's a 352, or a: 360, 390, 410 or 428.

You could even install a 427, if you could find one.

Common FE engines: 352/360/390/428. The 410 was only used in 1966/67 Merc's.

FT engines: 330 M/D // 330 H/D // 361 // 391.
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The C4TZ 361 you looked at was a rebuilt engine from an authorized Ford engine rebuilder.

 

Bill, I found this water pump by the old 330. I took a part number off it. Can u find anything with this number. D3TE 8505CB A.

 

That's a (1973) ID number, not a part number...I have no way to cross it over, as it's too new for my cross reference catalogs, which only go as far as 1972.

If this FT waterpump matches the one on your FE engine, it's: D4TZ8501H, which fits ALL the 352/390/410/427/428 1965/71 cars // ALL the 352/360/390 1965/76 trucks. The same pump was also used on the 330 MEDIUM DUTY engine in C/F/N/T600 and larger trucks thru 1972.

The 330 FT Heavy Duty engine waterpump is different.

 

The timimg cover was also in the pile with the 330. The water pump is differnet then the one on the engine in the truck. Here is the number on the timimg gear cover which the water pump bolts into. First line....N3 D N Second Line....C8TE-6059-A. Also on the water pump were First Line....D N Second Line 3.10 78 Third line BZG. Anything come up with those numbers. Thanks

 

You have the truck nearby, correct?

Post the VIN number, the 4th digit is the engine code, and will tell whether the 330 engine was a Heavy Duty or Medium Duty as originally factory installed.

I could not find C8TE-6059-A, but I did find C8TE-6019-E which is the 330 HEAVY Duty timing cover:

ID number: C8TE-6019-E = Ford part number: C4TZ-6019-E .. Timing Cover / Fits: 330 Heavy Duty / 361 & 391.

Both 6019 & 6059 were timing cover ID numbers.

I could walk up and look at this 330 engine in person and tell you exactly which one it is...but it's very hard to ID anything on the internet.

If your mechanic removed parts from this 330 engine and used them on the FE engine your truck has now...I wonder how he did that?

The 330 H/D timing cover and its gasket is different than what any FE engine uses, so the parts do not interchange.