therangerstation.com,under attack, by ford!
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Well sure they want you to buy new ones, thats how they make money. I know they sold Dove thier old FE castings and permitt them to use ford part numbers on there repo parts and engines for an exact restoration. Of course alot of people still race Dove FE motors as they make all the versions of the 427 including the sohc. Also 428CJ and 390's. However, the stuff isn't cheap, you need deep pockets to race FE's. Not so bad for a resto project as you only need to buy once. I don't mean old fords are FOMOCO's bread and butter, but I'm sure there proud of there heritage and cars they have produced over the last 100 years, at least the ford family.
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Grayranger 4x4, don't get your paniies in a bunch, ford is just protecting it's self and names it has patented. Even though the ranger station may not mean any harm, others might. The ones who may deface the ranger name could say, the ranger station uses the name, so can we. There trying to set one set of rules for all. After researching a little, all ford wants is for people to get permission to use the name in which TRS didn't do. It would be simple to clear up, ask permission and pay a fee, or have they would of ask in the first place, they may not require a fee. I see both sides of the issue. Thats why it's important for us as ranger fans to write ford and let them know how we feel as we buy thier products.
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Grayranger 4x4, don't get your paniies in a bunch, ford is just protecting it's self and names it has patented. Even though the ranger station may not mean any harm, others might. The ones who may deface the ranger name could say, the ranger station uses the name, so can we. There trying to set one set of rules for all. After researching a little, all ford wants is for people to get permission to use the name in which TRS didn't do. It would be simple to clear up, ask permission and pay a fee, or have they would of ask in the first place, they may not require a fee. I see both sides of the issue. Thats why it's important for us as ranger fans to write ford and let them know how we feel as we buy thier products.
It doesn't come from sales of vehicles, it comes from parts sales.
All the automakers are really in the parts biz and in order to sell parts, these vehicles have to be only a few years old.
Studies have shown that after the warranty runs out, very few customers return to dealers for parts & service.
No service customers, no profits, and now with sales in the toilet, it's even worse.
Now you know why Ford Corporate doesn't really give a damn about their older vehicles.
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I think we maybe talking about 2 different things, your talking about cars 10 years old and I'm talking about 50 year old classics, model A's and T'S and such. People go to napa or autozone because ford charges too much. However, it is true that I find myself going to the dealer for more and more parts, say over the last 10 years. Where as I never use to go to the dealer. I sure don't have no problem finding jeep parts, there's enough parts on the aftermarket to build a CJ 3A from scratch and there's no shortage on old wrangler parts either.
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From: Perry,Ga.
Grayranger 4x4, don't get your paniies in a bunch, ford is just protecting it's self and names it has patented. Even though the ranger station may not mean any harm, others might. The ones who may deface the ranger name could say, the ranger station uses the name, so can we. There trying to set one set of rules for all. After researching a little, all ford wants is for people to get permission to use the name in which TRS didn't do. It would be simple to clear up, ask permission and pay a fee, or have they would of ask in the first place, they may not require a fee. I see both sides of the issue. Thats why it's important for us as ranger fans to write ford and let them know how we feel as we buy thier products.
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I think we maybe talking about 2 different things, your talking about cars 10 years old and I'm talking about 50 year old classics, model A's and T'S and such. People go to napa or autozone because ford charges too much. However, it is true that I find myself going to the dealer for more and more parts, say over the last 10 years. Where as I never use to go to the dealer. I sure don't have no problem finding jeep parts, there's enough parts on the aftermarket to build a CJ 3A from scratch and there's no shortage on old wrangler parts either.
If Ford doesn't sell new vehicles, they won't sell parts.
Do not look at Ford's past history. Look at it now.
The company that made all these old rides, no longer exists except in name only.
Today's Ford Corporate "suits" know very little about Ford's history...and could care less.
They are only interested in one thing: The bottom line, nothing more.
I've cited examples of what Ford has done to kill off older vehicles in other posts in this thread, better read them again.
As far as repop parts are concerned, all Ford cares about is the license fees they get from the repop sellers.
If they really cared about their old rides, they'd remake the parts themselves.
They did this exactly once in the 1980's, when they reproduced the plastic hood emblems used on the 1950/54 cars.
After only a few years, some Ford "suit" obsoleted them....even tho sales were brisk.
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I think I'm an oddball with some very unusual views on this stuff. My chief income has been in Machining since '94, although only for a couple years in automotive, the overall job scene plummets with them & I believe Leno's bail-out idea is a load of bull. Then again, I have never found unions good either. Doesn't pay for skill level, only seniority which then makes seniority VERY rare in this country. Also not much use for small to mid-size companies. The more Ford & the others make decisions like this, the weaker we get & the job scene should plummet further. I hope they get thier heads out of the sand & do stuff like a REAL Ranger Max someday. Saw that on Youtube & pretty much disagreed from start to finish. Ranger Max? 6 foot bed, reg cab, duals, 5.7L Windsor with Allison tranny, T5 or similar, 4x4 with switchable lockers, 4130 tube frame. Ok, maybe Ranger Big Bang but you get the idea. The cars should have something stripped down & sensible available that won't be more trouble than it could be worth. Don't need a 3.0l crammed in a bay designed for a 1.0L. Make a car with a 2.3l with a good strong & roomy bay for it & decent fluid seals.
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The new ranger thats is comming will be the same size or smaller than the current one. It will also be 4 cylinder based. The mood of the country is emissions and fuel economy, not V-8 powered small trucks. Thats what the people and goverment are clammering for. Why don't you do a ford small block ranger, there are several kits to make the swap easy. A 351 windsor can be stroked up to a 427 and bigger and they run, we have a few at the strip, some with stroked 302's and others with stroked 351's and they run in the 9's and 10's and are streetable.
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I want Ford to support good automotive engineering that actually makes sense. Wasn't talking about me. If it's Ranger Max, that's not it. I may do something cool soon if I can ever get out of this economic hole. Probably have to become a services geek. Anyway, the whole mess seems to be tied around poor engineering that almost exclusively fawns after soccer moms without thought for whether it really works.
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Nice job Ford! Anger and alienate your dying customer base even more! Now there's a solid business plan. 
I might understand Ford going after websites that use the Ford name and generate income. But to go after not-for-profit "enthusiast" sites that don't even use the "F" word in their name is absolutely dispicable. I cannot think of one shred of harm that a site like RPS or TRS can be causing Ford. On the other hand, it's easy to see the many ways in which these sites actually help Ford.
Every time I start thinking that Ford might actually have a shot at turning things around, something like this comes to my attention, and I wonder all over again how they even survived to this point.
I might understand Ford going after websites that use the Ford name and generate income. But to go after not-for-profit "enthusiast" sites that don't even use the "F" word in their name is absolutely dispicable. I cannot think of one shred of harm that a site like RPS or TRS can be causing Ford. On the other hand, it's easy to see the many ways in which these sites actually help Ford.
Every time I start thinking that Ford might actually have a shot at turning things around, something like this comes to my attention, and I wonder all over again how they even survived to this point.
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i may remove my "ford" , "ranger" & "taurus" badging from my vehicles and replace them with "mahindra" badging. what about the polaris ranger,u.s. army rangers,texas ranger? some lawyer should take ford to court over the mustang, the horses had the name first. this is just the sort of stupid stuff that has ford where it is today.
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Hey Racsan, I'd include the name Ranger in the list of what they could be counter-sued over. FORD borrowed it from English language & park rangers. I've been thinking about it. If it does come to pass, the blue ovals might disappear from my red thing shortly.
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I wonder how much Ford would like it if everyone decided to substitute a different word for Ford like 'Junk' maybe. That should make their idiot lawyers happy and the fan base can go on talking about them without mentioning their name again. I would think with their fortunes in deep trouble they would have better things to do with their time and money than worry about people like us talking about and asking questions about their products. And we, for the most part, talk nice about their products!! What morons.
I also would think their idiot lawyers would be using their time trying to keep Ford..err sorry.. I mean Junk from going under. Come to think of it after hearing of this assult maybe they deserve to.
I also would think their idiot lawyers would be using their time trying to keep Ford..err sorry.. I mean Junk from going under. Come to think of it after hearing of this assult maybe they deserve to.
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All you need to do is contact John Nens @ FOMOCO, I can give you email or phone # if you'd like, ask him for authorization to use the name and/or logo. I did this with my club, Mid-Atlantic Stangs & Muscle Fords. It only took a couple days to get authorized. We now have a certified document from Ford permitting us to use the name and Mustang logo. PM me if you need more help.
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You all take this stuff too serious. The horses didn't patton the name, ford did. There's allways more to things than meets the eye, there's 2 sides to every story. There not going after RPS, only TRS, so there's more to it than were being told. Possibly like merchanticing stuff with the ranger name, like T-shirts maybe, who knows, but there's something more to it. If not they would be going after RPS or this site for using ford in the name. You guy's need to get a grip and calm down. You guy's turn on ford in a heart beat, what loyality. There's still plenty of colordo's and tacoma's for sale ha ha. Personaly, I have faith in ford, I think ford not being an **** hole is why there doing better than the other 2 and don't need the bailout. I think we need to know all the facts before passing judgement.