Notices
1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Fat Fendered and Classic Ford Trucks

Turn Signals

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 6, 2008 | 09:24 PM
  #1  
john fin's Avatar
john fin
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 482
Likes: 0
Turn Signals

This may be a dumb question, but back in the day, how come people installed large fender mounted or bumper mounted turn signals. Why wouldnt they just wire into the parking lights. Alot of early cars had white turn signal lenses.
 
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2008 | 09:51 PM
  #2  
ALBUQ F-1's Avatar
ALBUQ F-1
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 27,288
Likes: 1,053
From: NM
The parking lights only had one filament.
 
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2008 | 09:57 PM
  #3  
Julies Cool F1's Avatar
Julies Cool F1
Post Fiend
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 7,641
Likes: 21
From: Poway, Ca.
Well, that's not a dumb question at all. Who can say why people do what they do, but I have a theory:

If you wanted to add signal lights to your older vintage Ford Truck, usually you had to buy an aftermarket "Kit." If you have ever read a late 50s or early 60 vintage "Popular Mechanics" you would realize that "Kits" were the in thing. So when you would buy a signal light kit for your truck, it had to include everything...switch, flasher, lights, etc.

And usually they were installed as a kit - a separate system - rather than tapping into a stock system.

But there's a technical reason too. The light bulb sockets that supported just parking lights or running lights are physically and functionally configured differently. Normally the original light had a socket that was insulated, and had two wires - one for power to the light and one for ground.
And the sockets in the signal light kits were the same. So they could only function on one circuit. This light bulb had one filiment to handle that function.

Now, later when signal lights became standard, the sockets changed and so did the light bulbs. Since the light would now handle two separate functions - both parking/running lights; and, signals it needed to be able to do both at the same time. This was handled in the bulb by introducing a second filiment for the second function.

But more important (as you will continue to see in post where people are having trouble getting lights to work) the sockets had to be rededigned to handle the second filiment. Thus, they were wired with BOTH wires providing power - one to each filiment - and the BASE OF THE SOCKET WAS NOW MADE CONDUCTIVE TO ACT AS THE GROUND PATH FOR THE LIGHT.

So, if you wanted to add signals, you had one of two choices: either replace the original sockets to handle two filiment base grounded bulbs; or, install the lights provided with the kit! The original sockets would not support dual function.

And this may sound REALLY dumb, but I'm not sure they had invented or were commonly using the dual filiment bulbs and sockets back then....But that's purely speculation on my part!

Hope that helped!

PS, Edit note: I think Ross and I were typing at the same time. Doesn't he just go on and on - tee hee!
 
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2008 | 10:23 PM
  #4  
merten's Avatar
merten
Laughing Gas
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 797
Likes: 3
From: Cape Coral FL
It is also because of the brake light circuit.
 
Reply
Old Dec 7, 2008 | 03:09 PM
  #5  
56panelford's Avatar
56panelford
FTE Legend
20 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 283,479
Likes: 8,190
From: northwestern Ontario
Originally Posted by Julies Cool F1
Well, that's not a dumb question at all. Who can say why people do what they do, but I have a theory:

If you wanted to add signal lights to your older vintage Ford Truck, usually you had to buy an aftermarket "Kit." If you have ever read a late 50s or early 60 vintage "Popular Mechanics" you would realize that "Kits" were the in thing. So when you would buy a signal light kit for your truck, it had to include everything...switch, flasher, lights, etc.

And usually they were installed as a kit - a separate system - rather than tapping into a stock system.

But there's a technical reason too. The light bulb sockets that supported just parking lights or running lights are physically and functionally configured differently. Normally the original light had a socket that was insulated, and had two wires - one for power to the light and one for ground.
And the sockets in the signal light kits were the same. So they could only function on one circuit. This light bulb had one filiment to handle that function.

Now, later when signal lights became standard, the sockets changed and so did the light bulbs. Since the light would now handle two separate functions - both parking/running lights; and, signals it needed to be able to do both at the same time. This was handled in the bulb by introducing a second filiment for the second function.

But more important (as you will continue to see in post where people are having trouble getting lights to work) the sockets had to be rededigned to handle the second filiment. Thus, they were wired with BOTH wires providing power - one to each filiment - and the BASE OF THE SOCKET WAS NOW MADE CONDUCTIVE TO ACT AS THE GROUND PATH FOR THE LIGHT.

So, if you wanted to add signals, you had one of two choices: either replace the original sockets to handle two filiment base grounded bulbs; or, install the lights provided with the kit! The original sockets would not support dual function.

And this may sound REALLY dumb, but I'm not sure they had invented or were commonly using the dual filiment bulbs and sockets back then....But that's purely speculation on my part!

Hope that helped!

PS, Edit note: I think Ross and I were typing at the same time. Doesn't he just go on and on - tee hee!
Yup that Ross sure said a mouth full didn't he lol
 
Reply
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 07:48 AM
  #6  
john fin's Avatar
john fin
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 482
Likes: 0
Another option?

""So, if you wanted to add signals, you had one of two choices: either replace the original sockets to handle two filiment base grounded bulbs; or, install the lights provided with the kit! The original sockets would not support dual function. "

Would this third option work?......bypass the parking light circuit to the front parking light bulbs and just use them as turn signals. Keep the single filament bulbs.
 
Reply
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 08:51 AM
  #7  
merten's Avatar
merten
Laughing Gas
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 797
Likes: 3
From: Cape Coral FL
Originally Posted by john fin
""So, if you wanted to add signals, you had one of two choices: either replace the original sockets to handle two filiment base grounded bulbs; or, install the lights provided with the kit! The original sockets would not support dual function. "

Would this third option work?......bypass the parking light circuit to the front parking light bulbs and just use them as turn signals. Keep the single filament bulbs.
I think you have another option if you use a Signal-Stat 800 with the 8 wire setup.
Turn Signal Wiring on The Jeep CJ3B Page
 
Reply
Old Dec 8, 2008 | 08:54 AM
  #8  
dave boley's Avatar
dave boley
Posting Guru
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,138
Likes: 2
From: Marietta, Ohio
[quote=john fin;6858241Would this third option work?......bypass the parking light circuit to the front parking light bulbs and just use them as turn signals. Keep the single filament bulbs.[/quote]

Yeah, that would work but back then extra lights on your truck was just way cool... Kinda like zap straps and suicide *****. Go Figure... You had to be there...

Later Man...
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-2

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-6

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

 Brett Foote
story-9

5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

 Joe Kucinski
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
skipr
1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
7
Dec 13, 2009 12:00 PM
John Morton
1948 - 1956 F1, F100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
13
Feb 14, 2009 02:14 PM
Yeti
1999 - 2016 Super Duty
5
Sep 19, 2002 04:08 AM
rwjr
1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
8
Oct 12, 2001 12:35 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:12 AM.

story-0
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-1
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-2
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-3
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-5
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-6
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE