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Old Nov 21, 2008 | 08:14 AM
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pinging 3.0

I have a 3.0 ranger. Since I've got it it pings under load on regular. Tried to clean it out per TSB with the ford top end cleaner gunk.... lotta smoke but it still does it.

Anybody have any suggestions?
 
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Old Nov 21, 2008 | 08:44 AM
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Lots. Get the codes, esp if getting cel's. Could be fuel pressure, weak spark, most of the sensors or apparently a couple other things. Browse the forum on 3.0L. If EEC-V, I'm assuming you didn't see a cel as that should have been an automatic mental light bulb to follow up. Even EEC-IV (to ~'94) has a jumper trick so you can use the CEL to check trouble codes. If it's 1 of the tech articles that's disappeared from our links, Therangerstation.com should have Ford-trucks's backside covered.
How many miles on this engine, is the oil & coolant full & clean, shoot check the battery, alternator & its wiring too. Not likely, but if your voltage gets too weak, I believe it could result in weak spark among other things.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2008 | 09:04 AM
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Check out Section V here: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-and-tips.html
 
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Old Nov 21, 2008 | 09:43 AM
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I've read when the 3.0 starts pinging, to run a can of seafoam through it.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2008 | 09:45 AM
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Thanks for the quick replies!

The truck is a 2000. The last part, about a faulty PCM, certainly seems to fit the bill. It stops pinging if I put in even plus fuel.


There are no check engine lights or stored codes. Not sure on the fuel pressure, system voltage is normal.

Oil and coolant stays clean, no bubbles from the radiator indicating a blown headgasket. Has 150,000 on the motor.

It's strange, because even my megasquirted 85 camaro has a knock sensor that pulls timing if knock is detected. Why doesnt the truck do the same? I would think it should.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2008 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by wendell borror
I've read when the 3.0 starts pinging, to run a can of seafoam through it.

I thought for sure that would do the trick too. But alas, it still does it, even after two seafoam treatments and an oil change.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2008 | 09:50 AM
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So what octane are you using? It might be normal to ping if you are using too low an octane.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2008 | 09:59 AM
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87. I can't imagine that the 3.0 needs more then that; it's such a dog as it is.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2008 | 03:06 PM
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Try BP (Amoco) 87 from busy stations for a few tanks. My past Rangers have done great with that, but I'm still learning about this Vulcan thing. 2000? Make sure to use double platinum standard OEM type Motorcraft or Autolite sparkplugs? I've read quite a bit about that issue all over the net lately & scattered throughout this domain.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 04:19 AM
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There was a write up on here a while back on the 3.0. When the 3.0 starts to get some miles on it, that there bad to carbon up, start pinging, even start loosing power. The recomendation was to run seafoam through it.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Toehead
Thanks for the quick replies!

The truck is a 2000. The last part, about a faulty PCM, certainly seems to fit the bill. It stops pinging if I put in even plus fuel.


There are no check engine lights or stored codes. Not sure on the fuel pressure, system voltage is normal.

Oil and coolant stays clean, no bubbles from the radiator indicating a blown headgasket. Has 150,000 on the motor.

It's strange, because even my megasquirted 85 camaro has a knock sensor that pulls timing if knock is detected. Why doesnt the truck do the same? I would think it should.
You said in an earlier post that this 2000 3.0L has pinged under light load, ever since you had it, so did you buy it new????

Is it a flex fuel 3.0L????

Is it a manual tranny????

Are their any air intake mods????

Are you using a oiled foam, or cotton gauze air filter????

Have you checked for vacuum leaks, this would include the heater/ac controls, brake booster, vapor recovery system, EGR & PCV valves & their plumbing.

Seeing as how it now has 150K on it, have you replaced the O2 sensors, plugs & wires & were they the specified OEM replacements???

As has been asked earlier, have you had it scanned for stored trouble codes???? If so, post ALL the trouble code numbers found, as they can offer up some good trouble shooting clues.

Have you read through the excellent 3.0L info link Rockledge posted above????

Seeing as how you've had this problem since you came by the vehicle & you've "Seafoamed" it without any change, but putting in 89 octane will stop the ping, suggests a number of possibilities.

So if we can get a little historical back ground on the vehicle & where you are on past & present scheduled maintenance items, or any mods you've made, we may be able to help you zero in on the root cause of your 3.0L's under light load "ping".

A bunch more thoughts for pondering.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 08:57 AM
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I bought the truck last year from a national grid auction.

It is a flex fuel, but not quite so anymore. See my thread on building a snazzy flex fuel replicator.

No stored codes, bones stock. Paper air filters. New stock replacement wires and plug (no change)


I was unable to find any vacuum leaks but that does not mean they don't exist.

It is an auto.

About the seafoam, I did see that service bulletin about the carbon knock. That is the reason I tried the seafoam.

Oxygen sensor may be faulty. When I first got the truck, it stored an O2 code. I reset it and it never came back, so I never replaced it.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 09:14 AM
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OK, good feedback.

So it was originally a flex fuel 3.0L, but has now been messed with!!!!

So was the "ping" problem there all along, or did it come about after your electronic mod????

The 3.0L flex fuel uses different heat range plugs, than the non flex fuel 3.0L, so did you factor that in on your mod????

With 150 K on them, your O2 sensors may be lazy, with slow response switching speed, so have them checked out.

Have you cleaned the MAF sensor, or checked it's output signal range to the computer????
 
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 09:39 AM
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The pinging was present before the mod. All the mod does is replace the fuel sensor with a module that says "10 percent ethanol at 70 degrees," pretty normal for around here. I wouldn't say "messed with" I would say carefully engineered to save me $650

I replaced the plugs with the ones the parts store catalog said were for my truck. I cant recall what heat range they are.

I have not checked the maf sensor. I am not very experienced with fords... I am used to GM. What is the normal idle voltage and normal midrange voltage? I will check that today.

Other then the pinging the truck runs great and makes an hour commute every day. If it ping I just kick it out of overdrive or change my throttle until it stops lol.
 
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OK, still LOTS of unknowns, so to recap a little, we have a 2000 Ranger flex fuel 3.0L, with auto tranny, bought at auction last year & I assume, with an unknown past.
It now has 150K miles on it & has suffered light engine load ping, since you bought it last year.

You've since done a mod on it's flex fuel sensor, which you say has had no effect on the ping problem.
Was the flex fuel sensor bad????

You've done a decarbon with Seafoam & replaced the wires & plugs with the specified OEM parts, without a change in the ping.


The reason I ask about the flex fuel sensor, is that the computer programing for the flex fuel system is different & it is looking for inputs from the fuel sensor to help it decide what to do about ignition timing & the fuel injectors pulse width/duty cycle, which affects the fuel delivery air/fuel ratio.

Lazy O2 sensors will figure in too, with what the computer decides, as will other sensors, like the MAF sensor & Air Charge & the computers engine temp sensor, so the entire system & all relevent sensors need to be taken into account when trying to trouble shoot.

So you need to establish some sort of known stable base line, to begin your trouble shoot from.

The link Rockldge posted above has in it links that'll help you establish that trouble shooting base line & the MAF sensor info your looking for.

Another good easy to read data source for Ford systems is Ford Fuel Injection

More thoughts for considration.
Let us know how it goes.
 
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