No, because as usual Ford is trying to tell the consumer what they want rather than listening. If the people didn't want power, the 4.6 would be the best selling F150 engine.

Look at the SD. The most powerful engine sells the best, and they pay thousands to get it.

I hardly consider myself a niche buyer. The vehicle I described is pretty much the cookie cutter standard lot truck. The only difference is I want an engine with some nuts.

I don't want to and shouldn't have to modify a brand new truck with a blower.

Mike

 

If all you want is the truck with the most HP go buy it!!! Get a white one so it matches the rest of your appliances...lol

 

Did I say that's all I want? And it would have to be stainless.

Mike

 

Aha! Clearly a Platinum customer! Plenty of stainless.

This year, there's more power, and the transmission uses it better. You'll feel the difference when you drive it. Next year--who's to say.

 

after all horse power is not a real power measurement, it is actualy calculated from torque and was made up to sucker in customers, so it must work for some.

 

Lol it still amazes me at how worked up people get over the 2009 f150 power output. It must tell you something that it's the best selling truck and that these big engines from over brands aint selling as well seeings they are in a lot more trouble than ford at the moment.

You need to get your self into a proper car to feel what fun is all about as i cant tell you now that it aint a truck. No matter what power it has.

Bad handling
Poor brakes
bad transmission
massive under steer
Bad cornering
very disconected steering feel
Bad performance
heavy

These are just some of the reasons a truck aint designed to be a fun truck as it's a work truck. If you think that it's all about the 0-60 times and qtr mile time it aint.

But like some have said you could easy get a SC fitted and you will have a fast truck.

 

Which one is still manufactured?

 

I love the best selling truck comments. McDonalds sells the most hamburgers does that make them the best too? Besides that’s marketing BS, GM has two models that compete with each other that are nearly the exact same truck even if you don’t want to admit it. The GMC and the Bowtie combined are 504,313 sold to the F-series 392,698 this year, and that’s a pretty typical percentage over the years. Take a look for yourself:

PickupTrucks.com - News and Sales

Ford F-Series
392,698 -26.9% YTD
September 2008: 32,727
September 2007: 56,065

Chevrolet Silverado
370,502 -22.5% YTD
September 2008: 50,428
September 2007: 52,480

Dodge Ram
196,058 -29.0% YTD
September 2008: 20,812
September 2007: 30,100

GMC Sierra
133,811 -14.9% YTD
September 2008: 18,744
September 2007: 18,445

Toyota Tacoma
117,313 -13.4% YTD
September 2008: 9,176
September 2007: 13,996

Oddly I did a little more research and the numbers someone else posted seem to be off bit a fairly large margin:

Dodge:
2009 Dodge Ram 1500 Expert Review - MSN Autos

Performance Data:
PERFORMANCE (C/D EST, 5.7-liter V-8):
Zero to 60 mph: 7.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 24.4 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 15.7 sec
Top speed (governor limited): 108 mph

PROJECTED FUEL ECONOMY (MFR'S EST):
EPA city driving:13-15 mpg
EPA highway driving: 18-20 mpg

Seems a little more realistic to me considering the tests I have seen show Dodge beating Toyota in speed.
So that would leave Ford at
0-60 7.6 Dodge
0-60 8.64 Ford
A full second slower
¼ mile test:
Dodge 15.7
Ford at 16.84 another full second slower.

Looks like the fuel economy is a wash.

My point it is why would someone spend the same amount of money for a lesser product at least by any quantifiable number? I hear the Ford quality comments, I still just want to make that quantifiable. I am all in for a new Ford I just need something I want to buy, something that betters my current truck enough for me to spend an extra 20g’s (on top of my trade in), I will but it has to provide me a reason. “Enough power to do the job” isn’t it, a marketing gimmick like the quiet interior that I will find out 5 years from now is only good for 2 years isn’t it.

I would like something fun to drive and can haul all my quads with a camper that’s it, something that can REALLY go off-road not a “super duper shock” is it, something that makes long trips with the family comfortable and QUICK is it. Maybe I am not core customer, maybe I do think fx4 is a joke made to indentify the want to be off roaders from the guys out getting stuck, maybe I do think that nearly 100 hp less horsepower (peopel wake up, that's 25% more power for the same money) than your competitors is an insult to my intelligence.

Make no mistake if the 6.2 boss shows up next year with 420hp and 18-20 the Dodge is getting and keeps the locker I will own one.

If the Raptor is made I will own one of those instead. If the Bobcat motor is produced I would buy one too, but I will not by from the marketing team.

 

Sure Ford isn't competitive when you strickly look at hp/lb-ft numbers. But you'll notice they are competitive in every aspect, including speed times even though they are down on power compared to the competition. So to me it's a moot point.

You are correct, Ford doesn't offer a 3.40 axle ratio and this is most likely a misprint. But looking at the owners guide in the link below and the towing capacity (9300 lbs) in the chart also listed below, the F150 most likely has 3.55 gears. The owners guide states 9700 lbs for the 145" wheelbase 4x4 5.4L model with 3.55 gears. Where as the same truck with 3.73 gears bumps the capacity to 11.2K lbs with the max trailer tow pkg. The truck tested evidently did not have the 3.73s.

I agree 100% the 6.2L would most likely stomp the competition and would be a nice option. But I don't see it as a huge seller. Just look at the 6.0L in the Silverado/Sierra. That thing is a very slow seller compared to the 5.3L, even with its additional hp/lb-ft.

The Silverado 5.3L tested did have the 6spd Auto. Look in the powertrain box and you'll notice the 6A, representing the transmission. Just like the Ram & Titan showing a 5A and the F150/Tundra displaying the 6A.

http://www.motorcraftservice.com/pub.../09f12og1e.pdf

 

actually GMC and Chevy have higher resale values than ford, consistently and personally I think Ford has had more reliability issues than GMC or chevy.

 

Only problem with this MSN review (actually review by Car&Driver), is that it didn't provide all details of the truck. Was it 2WD or 4WD? What axle ratio was used? I'm sure this review did not have the Ram equipped with 3.55 gears as did the PM review which I posted the time from, more than likely it had Dodge's 3.92 gears or 4.10 gears.

The Popular Mechanics review broke all these individual details down so you could get a understanding of how the trucks were equipped. The Ram was listed with 3.55 gears, while the Ford was listed with 3.40 (which further review the Ford looks to have 3.55 gears). I'm sure if you dropped the 3.73 in the Ford, the difference in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times wouldn't be nearly the 1-1.14 seconds listed above in your post.

I'll agree, the F150 will still be slower even when equipped as identical as possible. But it's not as drastic as you posted above.

 

What does that have to do with anything? My point is how historically Ford seems to put more emphisias ( sp? ) on the total package than on one aspect. ( for the Mustang and F150 anyways )

So one could replace the word "Tundra" with "Camaro/Firebird" and "Mustang" with "F150" and the agruements/whinning sounds all the same....

 

Resale value needs to be qualified or scaled with respect to the original price, like anything the raw numbers can be misleading. GM has always had reliability issues. My exposure to fleet vehicles where all 3 domestic brands are evenly represented says that the GM products spend more time in the shop for repairs than the other 2 combined! The GM trucks always have something wrong, you start to think they designed it so the check engine light is on most of the time. I have a friend that says he didn't start out as a Ford fan but GM talked him into it with thier crappy products. He gave them 3 chances(3 vehicles) but had to admit defeat when the local Chevy dealer wouldn't provide warranty service for his GMC truck... like it was a different brand or something.

 

A 3/4 ton truck is less of a slug than an F150? See...now that just ruins your credibility as i don't think anyone would agree with you a F-250 is more fun to drive or faster...

 

I was thinking the same thing. I am a Mustang owner and I can tell you many are at the end of their rope with Ford not providing competitive power. The Camaro is out at 422 hp with a fire breathing LS3. Granted, its too heavy but the SB Chevys are great engines. Im at the end of my rope with them. I will not purchase another Mustang unless it has a 400 hp 5.0 4v engine. Screw all the gagets I want performance. They will be competitve or I will buy elsewhere be damed everything else.

Same goes for trucks. While I think the F150 is the best truck out there with the worst engine and a Chevy will do me just fine because I will likely never push it to the point of where Ford has over engineered certain items. Kudos to Ford for building such a good truck and boo on who ever killed the boss. Maybe it was marketing, the bean counters, who knows. I have confidence in ford engineering but somebody needs to turn them loose.

I really want to find a reason to buy new Fords in the future but they are not giving me anything to be too excited about. All Im asking for is competitve power trains and I dont think we are even close right now.

GM sells the most full size pick ups and has for years so you could argue that their marketing deptarment is smarter than Fords. Maybe Ford should take a deeper look into the real truth about who sells the most trucks and why instead of plastering adds everywhere that they are the best selling truck instead.