[quote=tseekins;6668209]You would think, the way that the foreign brands have eaten our lunch over the last thirty years, that folks would long ago have stopped equating performance and horsepower. Horsepower is one attribute of performance, one attribute of capability. Just one. I'm pretty confident in saying that the new F150 has the best performance of any half ton truck on the market. Read a few of the reviews that have popped up since the launch on Wednesday. It sure seems like the folks who get paid for their opinions agree.

 

We've gone round and round with this one, but I'll throw my 2 cents in this thread as well.

I want max power in my Ford trucks. Bring on the 6.2! That's a truck that I'd want to buy without hesitation. There would be no what if. I'd still throw 4.10s behind that and have a truck with real muscle.

Mike

 

Why would the 6.2 be so great. What would it do the 5.4 cant??

 

From the reports I have read it can do about 110 more horsepower.

Which makes me SMILLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! And willing to pay the same price as a Dodge or GM!

 

I suppose if such things mattered to you, you'd have a little less of that pesky, nagging feeling that someone, somewhere has a slightly quicker truck than yours. It's a much more common disorder among young, insecure muscle car owners and Extenze customers than core truck buyers.

 

Wow what an azz.

Mayeb its the other way around. Maybe the guys that actually need a truck and pull something want more motivation? N'ah couldn't be that

 

What can the 5.4 do that the 2 valve 4.6 can't? Or the 4.2 V6?

Once the truck is in your hands I'm sure you'll be looking for the first tuner to de-tune the engine for less power.

Mike

 

Quit talking sense!

Mike

 

another vote here for horsepower. i almost gave up my truck (4x4 low range equipped) for a gmc sierra denali(AWD, no low range). that 400+ hp was just so enticing. i didnt do it but i was close.

 

Quick 4 examples... (I discounted the GM# as the 5.3L is their 3rd most powerful engine option)

i) Not be the slowest 0-60 (empty)
ii) Not be the slowest 0-60 (loaded)
iii) Not be the slowest 40-70 (empty)
iv) Not be the slowest 40-70 (loaded)

You'll probably discount the 0-60 cause thats not relevant as you don't accelerate on the highway in an attempt to gain cruising speed. But surly you can accept 40-70 passing as a measure of engine performance? Or do you like to be short on power when your passing on 2 lane highways?

In fairness the Ford tested did not have 3.55s so if I see different test results as a result.... I'll apologize.

 

Probably not. If you need more towing capability, you need a 3/4 ton truck. There's already significant overlap in the F150 and Super Duty specs. Secondly, the 5.4 coupled with the 6-speed and its new tow/haul mode outperforms competitive 1/2 ton trucks with significantly more horsepower when towing. But don't go on my word. I helped to develop these trucks, so I'm biased. Read the reviews.

One more time for the slow readers. DON'T EQUATE HORSEPOWER WITH CAPABILITY. It brings both your reading comprehension and critical thinking skills into question.

If all you want is a faster vehicle, that's something else entirely. But it makes you a niche buyer, not a core buyer. Personally, I have a couple of 120hp motorcycles for quick. If you've ever been on even a moderately quick bike, it seems sort of ridiculous to try to go quick in a truck.

 

You just don't get it. No wonder Ford is bleeding cash.

Some of us don't want a few vehicles to satisfy them. I want a truck that can tow 6-8K easily, has room for 5, has at least a 6.5 ft bed, 4wd, and is not a slug empty. I don't plan to go nuts with it and race it every day. I just want something that is fun to drive.

The sad thing is that I feel that I have to have a 3/4 ton to do this. There is no reason why Ford can't offer the high power engine for me and I'm sure the vast majority of buyers.

I'd be willing to bet that if the 6.2 was offered, that at least 50% of F150 buyers would buy it. Just like most people buy the diesel for the SD. I'd even go so far as to say that if the 4.6 3 valve, 5.4, and 6.2 were offered at the same time, that the 5.4 would be the least selling engine just like the 6.8 v10 in the SD.

Mike

 

i would like to buy my fourth ford truck but because i also like horsepower i suppose i am a niche buyer? i am as ford loyal as you get but that does not mean i cannot demand a high powered v8 that gets terrible mileage just like every other truck.

 

I'm pretty simple when it comes to trucks. I want something better each time I change trucks. Then again I went from a '67 302/auto to a '70 351W/4-speed to a '71 360/4-speed. In theory I should be looking at a '72 390/4-speed. But I digress. I promise I have something to say about the new truck.

When Ford came out with the 1997 F-150 I was actually shocked to see a jellybean pickup truck. The bubble treatment has made it's way through the cars (CV, Mustang, Contour, Taurus, etc) and finally hit the truck lineup. But it didn't take me more than a couple of months to be used to the looks of them. I was impressed by their specs, and by those 7-lug rims on the F-250LD (later F-150 with 7700 package). The new Super Duty was awesome on top of that. Then 2004 came around and the new F-150 was horrible looking. The interior was even worse. In 2008, the Super Duty got hit with the ugly stick. Now the new F-150 isn't as bad as I expected it, but that god awful interior has to go. Reminds me of a Nissan product, circles and lines and big expanses of silver everywhere. Horrible.

My wife is all for buying a used Silverado or Sierra. I've shown her a number of 97-03 F-series trucks, but I can't get her interested in a 2004 or newer model (with the glaring exception of '04 Heritage models but most were fleet and the rest STX models with silly trim...the few XLT SuperCabs out there are getting harder to find). Then again she doesn't like the newer GM's either. She's a bubble person I guess...99-02 Silverados are her favorite styling wise, but that's probably because her mother drives a 2000 model and has had 181,000 easy miles since new, averaging 21.6mpg since she started keeping track in a logbook for work 3 years and 76K ago. Her only complaint with that truck is the backlight on the odometer is on the blink so she has to shine a flashlight on it to read it. And the parking brake sucks.

I'm just hoping the right 97-03 SuperCab is for sale when we're actually walking onto lots to buy. Dark blue, 4.6/auto, low miles, XLT trim. Here's to hoping.

 

Why, because your completely representative demographic has somehow been tragically underrepresented in Ford's focus groups?

Be patient. The truck hasn't even been out a week. First the core, then the niches. Until then, the Roush catalog is right over there. ---------->

Seriously. Drive one, like the slogan says. There seem to be a lot of people willing to pass judgment on this truck before they've ever laid eyes on it, much less driven it.