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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 02:30 PM
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Wow, you all have been a wealth of information. Thanks to all of you.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
The official FoMoCo part number for the 406 8V intake manifold is C3AZ-9424-L.

C3AZ-9424-M is shown for 427's.

These part numbers come straight from the 1961/67 Ford High Performance Parts Catalog.

This is not a Muscle Parts Catalog, as Ford didn't offer them till late 1968.

The introduction in this particular catalog was written by Ak Miller.
I have no arguement with what you state. Yes, that is/was the official part number for what was available to the GENERAL PUBLIC in 1963 and beyond. My point, and the point made in Charlie Morris's books is that these parts did not just spring up in 1963 with the advent of the 427. They were parts that Ford produced and provided to the factory backed lightweights the year before. They experimented with two 4's in 62 with the top drivers and made them available over the counter in 63. Nothing hard to understand about that.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 02:51 PM
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Bill H, thank you very much!! I'll see if the library has them. If not I'll head to Borders and order them. I thought they might be the Charlie Morris books but I didn't know the titles. Don't be to hard on Bear. I can understand his point of view. With all of the myths and hearsay I too like to see actual facts back these things up. But I always try to keep a open mind to everything until they can be proven to be true or not. The factory racers from the day were most always given these parts and as we know many were not available to the average Joes. Some as prototype with SK, XE numbers and some one off experimental.

A friend of mine has a factory prototype 3x2 intake for a 429. One of 3 ever made. His was the only one finished and on a dyno mule in the X garage. The other 2, one was cut up to check the casting porisity and the other never finish machined. After Ford shut down their racing program these and many other experimental parts were buried in a big hole and a parking lot made over them. How this one escaped who knows. But it did. There is a funny story how he almost lost it at the Ford 100th reunion he brought it to. But that's a story for another time. Same guy owns and restored the "Fast Eddie" Boss9 Maverick. Some of you might know him?

These topics are always interesting to me. And become quite informative as this one has. It's been a pleasure to be a part of this one.
Both books are well worth buying. Very well researched, lots of interesting facts, and some great photos. The books by Larry Davis are also worth having in your personal library.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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"Well, we all know that if Bear didn't see it happen or make it happen himself, then it didn't happen."

Nice. I suddenly don't feel so alone.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bluesky636
Well, we all know that if Bear didn't see it happen or make it happen himself, then it didn't happen.

Total Performers: Ford Drag Racing in the 1960s by Charlie Morris. Published 2005 by Car Tech. See reference in Chapter 3, page 25 and page 27. See photograph on page 29.

Factory Lightweights: Detroits Drag Racing Specials of the 60s, also by Charlie Morris. Published 2007 by Car Tech. See reference in Chapter 3, page 28. See photograph on page 27.

Note that these references deal primarily with the lightweights driven by Dick Brannan. Like I said in my original post, these two 4-bbl intakes were obviously not available over the counter in 1962 to Joe Average (including you, Bear), but that doesn't mean that they did not exist (maybe without an official part number) and were available to Ford's TOP racers before they were available to the general public the following year.

Mr. Morris is a well known and respected automotive author. If anyone thinks he is wrong, feel free to present YOUR proof.
And it is very apparent you are a jackass.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 08:46 PM
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And it is very apparent you are a jackass.
Not even worth responding to.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 09:08 PM
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Not even worth responding to.
The truth usually isn't.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bear 45/70
The truth usually isn't.
You asked for my references and I gave them to you. If you are too lazy or stupid to check them out, or just refuse to accept any information that doesn't originate in that feeble mind of yours, that is your problem not mine. I suggest you get a life and not bother people with the crap that is your "truth." I don't care if you respond to this or not because everyone has already seen what kind of person you really are.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bluesky636
You asked for my references and I gave them to you. If you are too lazy or stupid to check them out, or just refuse to accept any information that doesn't originate in that feeble mind of yours, that is your problem not mine. I suggest you get a life and not bother people with the crap that is your "truth." I don't care if you respond to this or not because everyone has already seen what kind of person you really are.
Your little lead in is what got you the response.

"Well, we all know that if Bear didn't see it happen or make it happen himself, then it didn't happen."
 
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bear 45/70
Your little lead in is what got you the response.

"Well, we all know that if Bear didn't see it happen or make it happen himself, then it didn't happen."
You've proven it, time and again.

I'm through wasting time with you.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2008 | 10:31 PM
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I find it strange that you don't want to waste your time. If you know so much, it just means you are selfish to keep the knowledge to yourself. But then it appears you are. Why are the the number for 1963 and not before, as you seem to be claiming?
 
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Bear 45/70
I find it strange that you don't want to waste your time. If you know so much, it just means you are selfish to keep the knowledge to yourself. But then it appears you are. Why are the the number for 1963 and not before, as you seem to be claiming?
I would suggest that you go back and re-read my posts in this thread, but it is clear that you have no real interest in anything I have to say on the subject. Your only interest is to spew out your own personal brand of venom and hatred toward those that do not agree with you. Your posts on the latest vacuum advance thread are another shining example of your crude and vicious behavior toward your fellow members on this forum. You don't deserve our respect.
 
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Old Oct 6, 2008 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bluesky636
I would suggest that you go back and re-read my posts in this thread, but it is clear that you have no real interest in anything I have to say on the subject. Your only interest is to spew out your own personal brand of venom and hatred toward those that do not agree with you. Your posts on the latest vacuum advance thread are another shining example of your crude and vicious behavior toward your fellow members on this forum. You don't deserve our respect.
Yep, just like you know it alls, it's just fine if for you to have your say, but by God I'm a bad guy because I call it like I see it. Keep your info, I'd rather not know if it's gonna turn me into the egotistical jackass you are.

"If you go thru life looking to be offended. You most assuredly will be."

Glad I could help you reach one of your goals in life.
 
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