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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 10:25 PM
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06 running terrible help please

I have an 06 f-350 came up with a couple of misfire codes. Does that mean I have injectors stuck? If anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated thanks in advanced benny
 
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 10:33 PM
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It sure could be stuck injectors.

What are the codes?
What oil are you using and have you recently changed fluid/filter?
Have you had the most recent flash (inductive heating flash)?

Have you heard of Hot Shots Secret - an oil additive to help w/ "stiction" issues?
 
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 10:39 PM
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Bismic my good man thanks for the spead sheets the other day. THE CODES ARE P0300 AND p0305 AND p0272. Runs like crap skips pops you name it it does it.
 
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 10:46 PM
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also I have not had inductive heat flash. The oil I have been using is Odesy 2000 15-w40. Do not mind the spelling. I got it from the lubrication specialist. I also have used hot shots but not on the last oil change thanks for the imput
 
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 11:07 PM
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Could be a number of issues. What is your oil change history (and do you use OEM filters)? As a long term recommendation, I would suggest going with a 5W40 synthetic and getting the inductive heat flash, and probably re-treating w/ the Hot Shots oil additive.

I will do some more research and hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me will "jump in" in the mean time.

Just as an FYI - Looking at the OBD-II manual for the codes, I see the explanation below (not sure if this is implicating a CMP or CKP issue, or a possible FICM issue or what?? since you are really only getting the general code and cylinder #5):
[***************][***************]Misfire Monitor
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Low Data Rate System
The 6.0L Diesel engine utilizes a variable reluctance sensor that processes the edges of a 60-2 tooth stamped target wheel mounted on the crankshaft (CKP). The software gets an edge every 3 degrees and these edges are
used for fuel injection timing, fuel quantity control along with the calculation of engine speed. The 6.0L utilizes a second variable reluctance sensor (CMP) that processes a peg mounted on the camshaft for cylinder identification.
These two signals are hardware buffered and sent to the Fuel Injector Control Module that performs the injection event.

The LDR Misfire Monitor utilizes the variable reluctance crankshaft (CKP) sensor signal from the 60-2 tooth wheel. There is a missing two-tooth window to provide sync pulses to the CKP sensor along with a CMP peg, which indicates proper camshaft to crankshaft position for correct cylinder timing. The PCM calculates crankshaft rotational velocity for each cylinder from this position signal. The acceleration for each cylinder is then calculated into a percentage delta change decrease in velocity for use by the misfire algorithm. The resulting deviant cylinder acceleration values are used in evaluating misfire.

Misfire is defined as a loss of compression. The amount of compression loss in a cylinder that misfire monitor will detect is referenced as a 3/16" or larger hole in a cylinder or valve train component.

Misfire Algorithm Processing:
The acceleration that a piston undergoes during a normal firing event is directly related to the amount of torque that a cylinder produces. For misfire determination the CKP signal is processed at the peak instantaneous inverse
velocity angle of 90
o after top dead center (ATDC) from the previous cylinder firing event. The calculated inverse velocity of a cylinder under test is compared to the previous cylinder firing event to establish a percentage delta velocity change decrease. A cylinder with a misfire is identified by a large delta velocity value. When the delta value exceeds the calibrated threshold, the misfire algorithm increments the specific cylinders misfire counter.

The number of misfires are counted in a block of 1000 revs. (The misfire counters are not reset if the misfire monitor is temporarily disabled such as an off idle condition, etc.)

To insure accurate misfire calculation and reliable cylinder misfire quantification, misfire data is sampled at engine speeds below 750 RPM. Misfire data becomes unreliable in an operating range outside of the idle region. For this reason other engine operating parameters are monitored to insure misfire operates in a region that yields accurate misfire results. The table below outlines the entry conditions required in order to execute the misfire monitor algorithm.


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Operation:
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DTCs P0300 – Random Misfire Detected
P0301 – Cylinder 1 Misfire Detected
P0302 – Cylinder 2 Misfire Detected
P0303 – Cylinder 3 Misfire Detected
P0304 – Cylinder 4 Misfire Detected
P0305 – Cylinder 5 Misfire Detected
P0306 – Cylinder 6 Misfire Detected
P0307 –Cylinder 7 Misfire Detected
P0308 – Cylinder 8 Misfire Detected
Monitor execution: Continuous every combustion event.
Monitor Sequence: None
Sensors OK : Camshaft Position (CMP) and Crankshaft Position (CKP)
No injector faults
Monitoring Duration: Continuous after first 1000 revs.
 
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 11:14 PM
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If it is any help injector number 5 was replaced at a dealer less than a month ago. does this mean that there is a piston or vavle. thanks
 
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 11:24 PM
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also my oil change intervals are every 5000 miles due to every day towing I also use oem filters if that is any help. Is 5w-40 synthetic heavy enough to do heavy towing in the summer months? I live in upstate new york so it does tend to get warm in the summer thaks for the info
 
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 11:25 PM
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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 border=1><CAPTION>Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) </CAPTION><TBODY><TR><TH vAlign=bottom align=middle>DTC</TH><TH vAlign=bottom align=middle>Description</TH><TH vAlign=bottom align=middle>Possible Causes</TH><TH vAlign=bottom align=middle>Diagnostic Aides</TH></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left>P0300 Random Misfire</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>The random misfire DTC indicates multiple cylinders are misfiring or the PCM cannot identify which cylinder is misfiring.</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>
  • Oil/fuel aeration
  • Base engine
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>—</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left>P0301 - P0308 Misfire Detection Monitor</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>The misfire detection monitor is designed to monitor engine misfire and identify the specific cylinder effected due to poor compression or any other cause.</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>
  • Base engine
  • Injector
</TD><TD vAlign=top align=left>If the MIL is on steady state due to a misfire, this indicates the threshold for emissions was exceeded.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 11:30 PM
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P16 DTCS P0263, P0266, P0269, P0272, P0275, P0278, P0281 OR P0284: CHECK THE FUEL SYSTEM PRESSURE
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CLEAR the DTCs. REPEAT the self-test. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BENNY1066
also my oil change intervals are every 5000 miles due to every day towing I also use oem filters if that is any help. Is 5w-40 synthetic heavy enough to do heavy towing in the summer months? I live in upstate new york so it does tend to get warm in the summer thaks for the info
5W40 is fine for towing in the summer. Lots of folks here in Texas do.

Since you are still in warranty, this looks like a good one to take back to the dealership. It sure could be a base engine issue w/ Cylinder #5.
 
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Old Sep 30, 2008 | 11:47 PM
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Bismic the only problem is that I am out of warrenty. Idrive alot for work. I blew head gaskets at 50k and no dealership here where I live could fix them asap so I did them myself so that screwed my warrenty. But I am over 100k so this is coming all out of my pocket.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2008 | 06:16 AM
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Benny - sorry about assuming you had warranty left - you must be on the road a ton! I will do some more research, but hopefully the techs on here will jump in and give you some direction.

Is the truck driveable or is it running so rough you don't want to risk causing other problems?
 
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Old Oct 1, 2008 | 12:36 PM
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bismic it runs pretty rough where i do not dare to drive it. Also what would the possibility be that it is the sct livewire doing this? I am not sure if i have the right custom tunes I have a non vgt turgo and a few other things done to it. Is it possible that running a tune that is not for a non vgt turbo could have caused alot of my problems that i seem to have mechanically? just a thought thanks
 
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What was wrong with the truck mine is doing the same thing same code P0306
 
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