any reccomendations otherwise? and pros or cons i should know. if i get it il probably be getting the spartan tunes a dpf delete sometime this fall. can someone tell me exactly what is needed to use it for tuning? and where the obd2 port is exactly? thanx

 

It is still early in the game on the tuner choice for me. I am doing my research on this and other forums. The DashDaq and Spartan tunes look very good. I am not in a hurry to remove several thousand dollars worth of pollution control equipment though. I understand the Spartan tunes can tune without removing the DPF and catalytic converter. I am still waiting for the big guy in diesel tuning to release their tuner. I am talking of Banks Power. An earlier thread discussed and compared the Spartan which is available now vs the Banks system to be released in a few weeks. I am not into watching my tires smoke just better fuel mileage, more power with durability. I enjoy my truck because I like trucks however I must have this truck to pull a large fifth wheel RV. Very little information is available from Spartan regarding tunes for towing. Banks claims they will be able to make lots of power with less soot to clog the DPF for long life. I just watched the video of how Banks test there product on their website. I was impressed at the money they are investing in their product development. I think I can wait and see.

 

The Spartan tunes are great. I have the 75, 150, 210 and the 250 tunes. The 210 has built in safeties, and defuels at 1425-1475*. The 250 tune is awesome, but no built in safeties so you really have to monitor the egt's. The platform used to deliver the tunes is the DashDaq from Drewtech. It is wonderful. You can monitor almost anything you want, from pre-turbo egt's, oil/coolant temp, boost, fuel rail pressure, rpm, mph, and lots more. Your OBDII port is located just below the steering wheel under the lip of the dash. As far as towing, there have been some towing 13000 plus with the high hp tunes. Just remember, you really need to monitor your egt's. Don't want to burn up your turbo. I've towed 13000 with the 150 tune and have had no problems. Newt time I pick up a load of hay, I'll try the 210, just to see what the egt get up to. I also did not get it for the power, need better economy. I've seen a 3-3.7 mpg increase with my 4.10 rear-end, but that's keeping it around 2000 rpm.

Some others are reporting no/minimal gains. Seems like every truck is different.

 

This is great info to help me decide. it seems that most don't tow with the DashDaq and so I don't what to expect as far as egts and such.

 

Go with the dash daq and you will never look back... even if banks does come out with their tuner, Matts had his out now pushing big numbers while staying very reliable with built in safety parameters up to the 210 tune. Trust me, he knows what he is doing and he is on the top of the game with the 6.4. Not to mention (correct me if i am wrong) Matt and Mike (the originator of the dpf delete/regen off) colabarated and came together making a strong product that is very reliable... Mikes had this ball running now for probably about a year and half if not longer with the dpf delete with no problems (that i know of) and banks is still testing theirs? Come on they should of had a product out a long time ago with as big of a company as theirs. Another issue i can recall going way back is someone gutted their dpf and went into constant regen and no one knew really what happened or what was going on with the truck until Mike (KEM performance) came along and helped the guy out and got his truck up and running bettter then when he left the dealer. Now thats the type of company/guy i want to give my money too, someone there to help me out when i need it.

As far as economy goes i have definetly seen a conservative 3.5-5 mpg increase over stock. All in all you will not be disappointed going with Spartan hands down!

 

Look at this video: Banks Power | BankspowerTV

 

60% or more of our customers use the Phalanx for towing.

All tunes up to the 210RWHP tune have exhaust temperature and engine oil temperature limiting built into the tune; so exhaust temps are not an issue. They are limited at 1450 degrees pre-turbo, which the engine will sustain for long periods without damage.

 

Everything that is needed to complete the install is included with the kit.

For DPF-On (on-road) applications, only the Phalanx console and mounting kit will be needed. It simply plugs into the diagnostic port (look directly under your dash, above your feet) to download tunes and monitor. There is no unplugging of sensors or rewiring within the engine compartment as with some competing products. We offer up to a 150RWHP gain with DPF-On applications; 120RWHP or below is recommended for safety/health of the DPF- 120HP levels and below create less particulates than stock in order to preserve the life of the filter. The 150 tune is recommended only for periodic use; as it does create about 15% more particulates than stock (if the truck is driven hard).

For DPF-off (off-road) applications, we offer normal bolt-on DPF delete pipes, DPF/CAT delete pipes, and full 4-inch aluminized and stainless down-pipe back exhaust systems. We have these available up to 250RWHP gains and as of next Friday, a 275RWHP gains.

 

Thanks Matt,
I will be towing about 14,000 lbs with my F450 6.4w/4.3 rear. At this time I am not planning to delete dpf and or catalytic converter and would like to preserve its life expectancy. I think I understand that a 120 hp tune is the limit. What is torque added at the 120 hp level?
Thanks again!
Kevin

 

2x6 bulldog - I don't really know about the tunes with DPF left in place, but I can say that Matt and all the folks associated with Spartan have been great to deal with. I really don't think you can go wrong with their tunes, or support. If you were down here is Texas, I would take you for a ride. You'll really be amazed.

 

Anyone with pictures of the Phalanx console mounted on an 08 yet. I wasnt able to see any on the company website. Thanks .

 

A little off thread, but I noticed Matt from Sparten listed the delete pipes as the DPF delete being normal vs the CAT DPF delete. Just wondering pros and cons of both.

 

Take a look at this.
Re-Post the DD mounting options - Page 2 - Spartan Diesel Tech Support Forums

MrGrizz - You can go either way. If you are considering it, talk with Matt, and tell him what you are planning on doing with your truck. He'll give you the straight scoop, pros, and cons.

 

Thanks Mick, have an 09 coming to repace an 05. Trying to get my ducks in a row so I have minimal stock time. It looks like the DPF delete pipe is easier to swap back and forth. I will talk with Matt as I need also to ask his opinion on running my propane with his system.