About a month ago we bought a 3 speed trans out of a junk yard that supposedly came out of a 59 f100...here are those pics.















Well turns out that it needs a bearing kit and a syncro. runs about 300 bucks to fix. He said instead of doing that he has a rebuilt one in the shop that he can sell me for 250. The only difference being that on top it has a plate that is removable. Im pretty dumb when it comes to manual transmissions...but basically ive been told that 223s are have something different about the way a trans bolts to it or something... I want to know what the differences are and will these transmissions bolt up with out any issues? A guy in the shop said you can put nearly any manual trans on those motors...is that true? dunno. what do you think should we buy this one instead of using the other one...o yeah the one we bought turned out to have a broken mounting flange that was welded or brazed back

 

What are you planning on using this on?

If the truck is a 1963 or later, it's the wrong transmission if it came from a 1962 or earlier F100/250.

1963 and up F100/250's uses the Ford Type 3.03 3 speed all syncro trans.

 

The truck is a 61 f100. the motor is a 63....we think... the only guess we have is that it came from the 64 f100 we have....dont know what the bellhousing is... but it has the exact pattern on it as is on the trans...that much we do know. from what ive been told is that anything pre 65, basically i think it was 53 to 64...that transmissions and engines were interchangeable along with driveline components and suspension. NOW thats what ive been told. What is the best way to dermine what Ive got...what I need... are there any numbers on the bell housing or engine that would help? I really want to make sure we do this up right...my father in law doesnt like to spend money and put effort into something to find out it doesnt work...if it does I might not be his son in law for long...lol.

 

Beginning in 1963, the F100/250's (and the midsized cars with V8's and all the full sized cars) used the Ford 3 speed manual all syncro trans...which was used virtually unchanged thru 1996.

Thie all syncro trans is a top shifter, the previous trans is a side shifter.

1962 and earlier does not have a syncro first gear.

This info is straight from the 1957/63 Ford Truck Parts Catalog...it's not something "I've heard, or been told" or found via a crystal ball.

If the truck is a 1961, the '59 trans you bought will be similar to what it had...originally.

Originally there was a tag on the trans, usually on the front or rear of the case, but it's usually missing by now.

Numbers on the bell housing, on the side plate, etc. are engineering numbers for the parts themselves, they are not trans ID numbers.

 

That trans with the tin cover on top--if it's a 3 speed, and Ford, it would be a 303. TOPLOADING. Still side shifted, and shifted via 3 on the tree, right? There were no 3 speed floor shifted trans since when, 1940s? 30s?

Will it bolt to your bell? Input/output splines match? Input length right? Overall length right? Will your shifter hook up to it? If it fits, then, imo, it's worth considering. If not, well, that's just more money to make it work.

 

Lemme rephrase what I meant...the 3.03 trans has a flat removable cover on the top. The linkage is on the side. This trans doesn't have a removable top cover.

The case ID number is partially obscured, and Ford didn't always place all the digits together.

I see AF, which is prolly Ford ID #C1AF-7006-D = Ford part number: C1AZ-7006-A .. Transmission Case = 1961/62 Ford Custom/Galaxie & F100/250.

So, it's not from any 1959...originally.

 

Yea, his junkyard trans is side-loaded, BW probably?

The repair shop trans is the 303 methinks. Depends on if it fits...........

I remember the neighbor had some worn-out school busses that he hauled berry pickers with. One had a 3 on the floor.

One had spark plugs about an inch in diameter IIRC. We had one sitting on the shelf in the shop for years....

Ahh, the good old days.

 

Berry pickers...you must be from the Central Valley.

Where's the extension housing for that junkyard trans? If he plans to use that, and his truck now has a 3.03, what about the driveshaft and other stuff?

If he does have a 3.03 trans in his truck, the parts to fix it are readily available. Seals, bearings, syncro shoes, small parts & gasket kit run around a 120 bucks.

The syncro blocker rings are the same as the Ford 4 speed toploader. They're usually the most expensive parts. 2 are needed for 2-3 syncro, one for first.

I could type all the part numbers for that stuff right now from memory (I have several times here)...sold 100's of those parts back then.

 

"""Berry pickers...you must be from the Central Valley. """"

Washington state, 45 miles north of Seattle.

'Got Rain?'

Re the trans, many questions only the op can answer....

 

I lived on a goat farm (no scheiss) on Vashon Island in the 1940's when my dad was de-commissioning ships in Bremerton. Housing after the war ended was where one could find it.

I've been back to the area many times since...want to move there (Port Townsend is my 1st choice) when the wife retires.

 

hey guys, thanks for the info... as far as any peripheral gear for the trans...we have nothing...the engine was a donor...though I believe we may have a clutch assembly from whatever used to be in it....there is about a 4 inch by 4 inch hole in the floor where a floor shifter used to be...and originally the truck had a column shifter...the shifter was removed...the column still is there with all the parts. Whatever we buy we are starting fresh...and mostly going into this blind...as neither of us are attuned to ford transmissions...Im familiar with the autos. but a dummy at the manuals.

I can give the trans shop a call and get all the numbers off that case if you think it will help. Just for kicks would it help to have the engine numbers?

One difference in the 2 transmissions that I just remembered is that the one the shop has ...is a fine spline vs the junkyard one we got was a course spine. that was really the only external difference other than the lid on top.

If you can give me some sorta dummy proof way to give you some clue as to what we need to do...I would greatly be indebted to ya.

Thanks for all the help.

 

Get any and all ID numbers off the other trans case you have and post them here.

Look at the 5th pic you posted...see that AF-7006-D? Look at it in real time, it's prolly CIAF-7006-D.

The C1 is spaced apart from the AF. That's the correct trans for 1961/62.

Whatever case number the other trans has---post it.

If the other trans DOES NOT a have a flat removable cover on the top, it's prolly the same trans as this one is.

The flat cover type is the 3 speed all syncro trans used from 1963 thru 1996.

 

ok. so if the engine is from 63 according to the block id. I should be good with the trans from the shop? Its going to be monday before I get those numbers from the shop.
The guys at the shop took measurements of the input shaft, and the case itself...they were identical. What are the differences in the trannys other than the internals. If the input shaft is the same size...and the case is the same size. all the levers are in the same position should it not matter which one?

 

block id numbers...just fyi... c3ae6015 ac 4011 I am assuming I want to bu the proper transmission for the engine rather than the truck??
I will get the codes off of the other trans in the morning.