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Old Aug 13, 2008 | 07:12 PM
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Question Alternator pulley nut

Maybe my question is getting lost at the end of an different thread, so I'll start a new one.

How do you tighten the alternator pulley retaining nut with out the alternator spinning? How tight should the nut be?

I just replaced the alternator on my 2000 4.0L with a re-manufactured one from the ford dealer. I had to transfer the pulley from the old one to the replacement. The pulley nut on the old one was extremely tight and difficult to remove. I broke a strap wrench trying to keep the alternator from spinning. Ended up jamming a screwdriver in through the vent holes to remove the nut. I'm not comfortable using this method to install it on the replacement unit. What's the normal method?
 
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Old Aug 13, 2008 | 10:06 PM
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If you can come close to breaking another strap-wrench tightening the nut, then I have to think that'll do.

FWIW, I poked around my Ford manuals and didn't find any torque specs for the alternator pulley nut. Which in my book means "tighten it as much as you can". If you need more peace of mind, use some Loctite.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2008 | 10:20 PM
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I haven't done this yet but...

An impact gun would be nice but a large breaker bar (cheap @ harbor freight) and an appropriate puller should be called for & watch for woodruff keys coming out. O yeah, with a breaker bar, you'll probably need a heavy bench vice too. Your situation may vary, but I hope this helps.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2008 | 10:21 PM
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O yeah, anyway, my searches pointed to around 95 lbs/ft as typical.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2008 | 10:22 AM
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Unfortunately, there's no key or spline on the shaft for the pulley. When I hold the pulley with a strap wrench and tighten the nut, the shaft spins inside the pulley with only maybe 5 ft/lbs of torque. (Maybe I should try grinding a slot in the shaft and pulley w/ a dremel, and sticking something in as a key?)

95 ft/lbs sounds about right, at least based on what it took to get it off the old alt. I ended up having to jam a screwdriver into it, then remounting the alt onto the engine so I could get some leverage.

Loctite between the shaft and pulley, may help me tighten it some more, but I'd be surprised if it would hold up to 95 ft/lbs.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2008 | 10:58 AM
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Hey Drummer, that scares me a bit. The key would probably have to come back out after install so it doesn't come out in use at bullet speeds. Well it would probably sort of rattle out & drop but unpredictable anyway. Normal key ways are fairly precision machined perhaps with a surface grinder for a case like this. Well besides that, it would take some pretty stubborn grit to do it. I'll get my head back in Googling after I get some work done today. Must be a special tool for some Fords.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2008 | 11:01 AM
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Dremelling a slot into the shaft head sounds like a pretty good idea to me. Then use a large screwdriver or something similar to hold the shaft.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2008 | 11:46 AM
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Use an impact and hit it hard, it won't come loose if you use the impact. If you modify the alternator you may well loose any warranty with it.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2008 | 05:49 PM
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Could an impact wrench damage the bearings and thereby void the warranty?
 
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Old Aug 15, 2008 | 08:45 AM
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Put a rag around the pulley and hold on to the rag, you wont spin the bearings any faster than the engine will. So no it shouldn't.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2008 | 09:58 PM
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Yours does not use a press to put it on????
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 09:47 AM
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Ranger, I'm more concerned about impacts along the direction of the shaft. But, I haven't found any better solution, so I guess I'll give it a shot. Now I just need to find an impact wrench.
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 05:25 PM
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I've put them on for 20+ years that way and haven't had a problem.
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 07:45 PM
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I see no problem using the impact. If alternator bearings can handle up to 12,000-16,000 RPM, I don't think the impact can really harm it
 
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 09:22 PM
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on my LT1 the end of the shaft has an allen key in it. I used a big 1/2" deep well socket (they have offset wrenches for this) to tighten the nut. I ground some flat edges on the cheap socket to allow a wrench to hold it. I slipped a long t-handle allen in the socket, then tightened the hell out of the nut. Im not sure it if was 95 ft lbs but it was a lot
 
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