I've been looking at the Sinister and RiffRaff solutions to defueling.

My question is - is there a drawback? Will the injectors (mine are currently stock with stock turbo) keep up with the increased air flow with the higher boost levels?

 

there are no drawbacks to the orc or annihilator
I have the itp brand, and it needed a tweak to keep my cel at bay once i got into the 30psi range.
you will not need any tuning or anything.
The injectors are fine for what the stock turbo can produce...for the most part.

 

Sinister? You mean ITP? Or whatever their name is this week...

Has anyone noticed that their OBA has changed? Looks to be a copy of the Riffraff OCR. Looks like Dennis figured out what we already know. Clay and the gang at Riffraff are #1

 

I got Clay's OCR and no more defueling issues here, great product.. Hey Bob, just fixed it...

 

Mike I think you mean you have Clay's OCR Overboost Code Regulator. Great product.

 

Clay's still looks better and is cheaper

 

I was told to not even bother with the annihalator unless I had a chip or some tuner. the stock srttings would not even reach the threshhold of the higher boost and extra fuel. apparently, I have been given erroneous information. however, I have had extremely good luck with this truck fairly untouched. the only mods are the ford/donaldson intake and 4" turbo back exhaust. I do not want to lose that reliability. what say you, fellow FTE's?

 

65superduty, if you do not make over 23 lbs of boost, you don't need anything to control overboost and should be good to go

 

soooo, the maximizer or the OCR would work reliably as a stand alone mod? given, of course, that I do not overboost...and I highly doubt it will reach 23 psi.

 

OCRs, OBAs, BRV+ and all other variations thereof, do not "control overboost". All they do is deceive the MAP sensor by preventing it from seeing boost pressures above 22-23 psi (regardless of how much boost you are actually producing with your setup). And in doing so, they prevent the MAP sensor from forcing the ECM to defuel the injectors. In the stock setup the ECM prevents overboost by cutting back the fuel supply until the boost pressure drops to factory specs. Once the map sensor is taken out of the loop with a boost deceiving device, the only way to prevent dangerous boost levels is with some type of wastegate and wastegate actuator (or the skinny pedal), that is assuming your setup is capable of even reaching high boost levels. And there are primarly 2 types of wastegate setups, mechanical and solenoid controlled. Some more effective than others, depending on what your needs and wants are. Mechanical (such as Turbomaster)are fully adjustable and entirely independent of any engine feedback parameters and therefore are not controlled by the ECM. The solenoid controlled (Bighead) rely on boost pressure input to/from a solenoid and subsequent feedback from the ECM. They are much more difficult to adjust and IMO less effective at regulating boost pressure correctly b/c of their inherent design and required feedback loop, and less reliable b/c of the diaphragm which is ultimately prone to failure. At any rate, IMO, if your running a stock ECM program (ie, no tunes) than you won't see any benefit from mods to the MAP sensor loop and next to none with an aftermarket WG actuator.

Hope this clears up this thread discussion somewhat. I found it very confusing to follow. Comparing apples to oranges, and bananas to beer, got my head spinning. Just thought I would try to help. And of course, everyone has their own preference for these mods and their individual requirements depending on their setup and usage.

 

thanks knucleheadnut for the clarification. since i am really enjoying the reliability this truck exemplifies, and the hp/torque is adequate, i will refrain from mods that monkey with the stock settings. it only has 101,000 on it, so it's barely broke in.
thanks again.

 

Thanks...as if we "wanted" the hassle and cost involved with changing the name again. If you had any idea how much money we're out over this you might offer some sympathy instead of wisecracks.

I take EXTREME offense to this. I do NOT copy other people (though I can think of a handful of others that have done it to me). The fixed pressure regulator we are using (and that it appears Clay is using also) is made by the same company as the adjustable regulator we were using. I've known about them for quite some time, but due to the cost I stuck with the adjustable ones. Unfortunately, I got tired of having people mess with the adjustment of the old regulators before reading the directions (heck, I even had a note on the website about they being "preset" and not needing adjustment). I've heard every excuse out there (kid did it, buddy did it, wife did it, no idea who did it, etc). I finally decided that the cost difference was worth reducing the number of phone calls, the amount of time explaining how to reset it, the amount of money people spent sending them back to me when they couldn't adjust themselves, etc.

Next time, think twice before making public accusations about me copying someone elses products. If you look at my product line, you'll see a number of products that I purchase from others. If you think for one minute that I couldn't copy the KCM HPX line (I've already got a CNC tube bending shop I use for fuel systems), the CCV kit, the S.S. Engine Cover or any number of other products I get from others, you're sadly mistaken. Rather than ripping other people off and stealing their ideas for the sole purpose of putting more money in my pocket, I actually purchase from the ones that came up with the idea. They get paid for their idea and my customers benefit. I treat my suppliers the same way I'd want to be treated with my ideas.

For anyone that wonders why I don't get on FTE very often, it's posts like this that keep me away. Somehow I always seem to be doing something wrong in the eyes of someone here. Today I'm a copycat and apparently a retard for getting screwed with regard to our new company name. Thanks for making me feel welcome.

 

A few years back, I bought a snowblower from Sears, It was, obviously, Craftsman branded. Wanting to know if I got a good deal, I started checking out other snowblowers whenever the chance arose. Over the next few months I found five different snowblowers that were painted and branded differently than my Craftsman, all well known and respected brands that were mechanically identical to it. My point is, that rebranding or reselling is not copying and is quite common and ethical in today's marketplace.
In regards to the name change hassle, non business owners do not have any way of understading the huge pain in the a$$ name changes or even address changes can be. The expense of new paper products alone, can be very expensive even for a small company like mine. Don't let the small stuff get you down Dennis, there are a lot of us out here who understand.
Incidentally, I never did figure out who really built my snowblower. Sorry if I am off topic, but oh well.

 

Not even close to what I was referring to. I'm talking about people actually directly copying parts I've designed. I've even had someone buy the part from me under a contracting company name only to show up later as a "diesel performance shop" later with a similar part. Some people just don't care whose toes they step on as long as they get some of the pie (whether it was their share or not).

It's not "rebranding" unless the product is purchased from the same place and just gets different names/logos. I used to do that with an exhaust system I sold. I purchased the base kits, purchased options (different downpipe sizes, tips, muffler deletes, etc) and then offered a "build your own kit" setup where you could specify the parts you wanted and I'd package it and ship it. I sold it under my brand name because I was stocking all the extra parts and doing the reconfiguration. Did that until it became too much of a hassle to manage. Any way you cut it though, the original manufacturer was still getting their money.

Thanks! The word "nightmare" comes to mind!

 

ITP Boost innihalator comes pre-set at 22psi, and they claim that you should not change the adjustment unless absolutely necessary. i have a question also... i bought the ITP innh. thinking that i would need it with my dp-tuner and i think its usless to me because i still only hit 17psi max at WOt with the Dp anyways, is this normal? i thought i should be making more boost than factory.