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Old Apr 30, 2008 | 10:27 PM
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Does anybody know what is involved in replacing a Geo Metro 3cyl with the four cylinder engine?
My in-laws keep asking questions about their junk cars, like I know all about every little Daewoo or Suzuki on the planet-
 
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Old Apr 30, 2008 | 10:54 PM
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Greywolf might know. I think he had a project of putting a turbo 4 in a ragtop.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2008 | 11:35 PM
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IMO this is a car that isn't worth replacing the stock engine in. What's a good running one worth? Vs. the cost of a STOCK engine replacement? Let alone a custom install.

Another false economy on the part of people who either do not value their time and labor at anything, or by people who's time and labor isn't worth much to start, or both, one compounded by the other.
 
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Old May 1, 2008 | 12:09 AM
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The 3cyl & the 4cyl both put out the same horsepower. The 4cyl is a 1.3L the 3 is a 1L. It isn't worth the hassle to replace the 3 with the 4. Replace the car, it'll be cheaper.

Geo Metro is also a Suzuki Swift, Pontiac Firefly, and Chevy Sprint. Same car different badges.

My sisters 95 Metro has the 1L 3cyl and 14" wheels & tires, which is a HUGE step up from the 12" wheels & tires.
 
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Old May 1, 2008 | 12:36 AM
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And they barely had enough torque to turn the 12" tires.

Just about got squished by an Astro van driving my wife's old Firefly.
 
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Old May 1, 2008 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bigrigfixer
And they barely had enough torque to turn the 12" tires.

Just about got squished by an Astro van driving my wife's old Firefly.
My sisters zips along quite nicely on 14's, with plenty of torque left over. She got a speeding ticket the day before her insurance ran out.
 
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Old May 1, 2008 | 12:02 PM
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My sisters zips along quite nicely on 14's, with plenty of torque left over. She got a speeding ticket the day before her insurance ran out.

anyone can get a ticket doing 40 in a 25
 
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Old May 1, 2008 | 12:08 PM
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... Pontiac Firefly...


Canada only model?

Jim
 
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I kind of liked the old Geo Metro.

Back in 87 I rented a 3 banger automatic during a company trip. 4 Big beefy guys all rode in that little car and it was fine. It was a bit cramped but not bad. I am 6'4" and the other guys were near 6'. By myself the car was roomier than some bigger cars I have driven. We had no problem keeping up with normal freeway traffic, although the

I think the standard Geo Metro had the 3 banger, the turbo Sprint had a 4 banger turbo and the Suzuki Swift came with a natural 4.

Still, these cars can't be worth much and you don't see that many of them anymore. So I guess this would have to be a "fun" project versus something practical.

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It was a bit buzzy on the freeway but an adequate car.
 
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Old May 1, 2008 | 06:32 PM
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Metro engine

All I know is you don't need a cherry picker to pull that motor...
 
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Old May 1, 2008 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jim henderson
I think the standard Geo Metro had the 3 banger, the turbo Sprint had a 4 banger turbo and the Suzuki Swift came with a natural 4.
The base Metro had a 3 cylinder and the "higher" end model (LS?) had the 4 cylinder.
 
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Old May 1, 2008 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jim henderson
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I think the standard Geo Metro had the 3 banger, the turbo Sprint had a 4 banger turbo and the Suzuki Swift came with a natural 4.
Turbo Sprint is 3cyl with a turbo, Swift is also a 3cyl or a 4cyl.

Who gives a crap if the Firefly is Canada only, this forum is read by people on both sides of the border.

Suzuki SwiftThe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Suzuki Swift is a supermini car manufactured by the Japanese Suzuki

Motor Corporation. It was originally named SA-310 at its debut in 1985, but in 1986 it was renamed the Swift. It featured a modest 993 cc straight-3 engine producing 50 hp (37 kW), capable of going 0 to 100 km/h (62 mph) in 17.9 seconds with a top speed of 141 km/h (88 mph). The G10 engine was very light, weighing only 63 kg (139 lb), and was not very powerful compared to other cars on the market. The suspension was lifted from the Suzuki Alto.
In Japan the car was sold as Suzuki Cultus, and from 1985 to 1988 in the United States and 1991 in Canada, the car was sold by General Motors as the Chevrolet Sprint and the Geo Metro captive imports. The car was sold from 1985 to 2000 as the Pontiac Firefly in Canada. In 1998, when General Motors discontinued the Geo line of economy cars, the Metro was rebadged as a Chevrolet. The Geo Metro was GM's most fuel efficient car of the 1990s. Its sedan version was the third model launched by Maruti Suzuki of India and was sold as the Maruti 1000 and the Suzuki Forsa in Canada.
The first generation Suzuki Swift, internally designated by Suzuki as AA41S, was available in a number of engine configurations including a carbureted or fuel injected turbocharged 1.0 litre, 3 cylinder (G10) engine and a carbureted or fuel injected 1.3 litre (G13).
There were two versions available: the 1.0 GA and the 1.0 GL. The GA model was the "budget" trim level, with plastic wheelcovers, 5-speed gearbox and cloth trim. The GL model was the plusher of the two, and had a 5-speed gearbox, a sunroof (some markets had air conditioning. It also had alloy wheels rather than wheelcovers.
The AA41S series was the first to introduce the Swift GTi. The Swift GTi utilized the G13B engine. The G13B is a DOHC 16 valve, 1.3 L, in-line 4-cylinder engine that features an aluminum block and cylinder head, forged steel crankshaft and connecting rods, and cast aluminum high compression pistons (10:1 compression ratio). Its power output is 101 hp (70 kW). The MK1 Swift GTi was available in European and Asia-Pacific markets.
North American markets only received the 1.0 litre version which were sold as the Chevrolet Sprint, Pontiac Firefly, and the Suzuki Forsa. Both the carbureted and turbocharged models were available in North America. The Chevrolet Sprint Turbo was available in 1987 and 1988 in red and white.

The AA44S series introduced an entirely redesigned vehicle, with a new curvier body style, four wheel independent strut suspension and numerous other improvements. It was available with a 1.0 liter 3-cylinder, 1.3 liter 4-cylinder, and 1.6 liter 4-cylinder engines. The 1.0 liter 3-cylinder engine continued being the most popular variant, with a power output of 53 hp (39 kW). The higher powered Swift GTi had an improved G13B engine which now featured hollow camshafts, stronger web casting on the engine block, a better flowing intake manifold (the prior generation intake manifold had its shape compromised to fit into the engine bay), and its ECU now had electronic control over ignition timing. It now put out 100 hp (74 kW) of power. The Swift GTi also featured all wheel disc brakes. The JDM Cultus GTi featured a G13B engine that had higher compression pistons (11.5:1 compression ratio), tubular exhaust headers, a tubular intake manifold, larger camshafts and a reprogrammed ECU. Some models of the Cultus GTi were also available with all-wheel drive. The engine in the Cultus had a power output of 113 hp (84 kW).
The second-generation Swift was introduced to North America in two trim levels in 1989; 3-door GTi and 5-door GLX. The GTi name was changed to GT in 1990 because of an out of court settlement with Volkswagen of America over their similarly named GTI. The GTi/GT had a 1.3 liter, Twincam 100 hp (70 kW) 16-valve 4-cylinder engine while the GLX had a single cam 8-valve version of the same engine. The 1.0 liter 3-cylinder was never available in North America in the Swift except for Canada where it was sold from 1992 to 1994. In 1990, the GLX was dropped; an inexpensive GA 3-door was added as were a GA, GL and GS 4-door sedan.
The AA44S Swift was manufactured in India as the Maruti Esteem till 2007.
In Europe the car was marketed as the Subaru Justy and in Chile the sedan version was named Suzuki Jazz

The MK3 series continued with the body-style of the MK2, but changed the style of the bumpers, taillights and updated the interior. GT/GTi versions were equipped with larger sway-bars, and the camshafts were now solid. Power output remained the same at 100 hp (70 kW). Production of the MK3 Swift for the North American market ended in 1994, and in Japan (as the Cultus) for 1998. In Europe, the MK3 series was known as "MK2 - Type2", incorrectly called Phase 2 by many, and it was built at Magyar Suzuki, remaining in various European countries until 2003. In Esztergom, Hungary the first car was made in September 1992. This was called type 1 (MK2 - type 2). From 1996 type 2 followed (MK3 - type 1). From the model year 2000 there were some modifications made (MK3 - type 2). Some type 2 models were fitted with a suzuki 4 wheel drive system and badged as Subaru Justy. (suzuki marketed a 4x4 cultus in Japan but did not make it available in Europe) The last modifications were made from model year 2002 but only for the Hungarian market. This was called type 4 (MK3 - type 3). The production of the 3dr models were finished in September 2002. In the same year, in December, the 4dr sedan version was also discontinued. The last var was a 5dr version in March 2003. The 5dr models are still manufactured in Pakistan (called the Cultus, 1.0 carbureted engine operating with petrol & CNG), and the 4dr sedan in India (by Maruti, called the Esteem) and in China (by Changan, called the Lingyang) In Australia, the MK3 series continued sales until 1999. The North American Geo Metro and Pontiac Firefly models were available in convertible, hatchback and sedan forms. Metro and Firefly sedans were only sold in Canada and produced in Japan while Metro and Firefly hatchbacks were produced by CAMI Automotive. Swift, Metro and Firefly models were redesigned in 1995, later discontinued in 2001.
  • Suzuki Swift MK3 (1992-1994) performance:
  • 1.0L SOHC engine GS-hatch(5_Door) 53 hp (40 kW) 0-100 km/h: 16.9 sec., top speed 141 km/h (88 mph) MT
  • 1.3L SOHC engine GS-sedan(4_Door) 68 hp (51 kW) 0-100 km/h: 13.8 sec., top speed 169 km/h (105 mph) MT
  • 1.3L DOHC engine (GTi/GT)-hatch(3_Door) 101 hp (75 kW) 0-100 km/h: 9.78 sec., top speed 182 km/h (113 mph) MT
A North American-exclusive Suzuki Swift built at CAMI Automotive in Ingersoll, Ontario, Canada became available in 1995.
The 1998 model year brought a change under the hood with a new I-4 1.3L engine, it was a SOHC 16v design, other upgrades included the move away from the distributor to electronic ignition, and the switch to MPFI(Multiport Fuel Injection) from TBI(Throttle Body Injection). The new engine's specifications: Power: 59 kW , 79 HP @ 6,000 rpm; 75 ft lb , 102 Nm @ 3,000 rpm. This engine replaced the older 8v 4 cylinder, but the 3 cylinder engine remained unchanged.
After 2001, the Suzuki Swift was no longer sold in the United States.



A North American-exclusive Suzuki Swift built at CAMI Automotive in Ingersoll, Ontario, Canada became available in 1995.
The 1998 model year brought a change under the hood with a new I-4 1.3L engine, it was a SOHC 16v design, other upgrades included the move away from the distributor to electronic ignition, and the switch to MPFI(Multiport Fuel Injection) from TBI(Throttle Body Injection). The new engine's specifications: Power: 59 kW , 79 HP @ 6,000 rpm; 75 ft lb , 102 Nm @ 3,000 rpm. This engine replaced the older 8v 4 cylinder, but the 3 cylinder engine remained unchanged.
After 2001, the Suzuki Swift was no longer sold in the United States.



The Mk4 Swift had its debut at the Paris Auto Salon in September 2004. This Swift is intended to compete in the European B segment with the Peugeot 206, Opel Corsa and the Fiat Punto. Available with 1.3 (92 bhp) and 1.5 (102 bhp) litre petrol engines, the new Swift is Suzuki's new "global car", to be produced in Hungary, India, Japan and by Chang'an in China. 3- and 5-door bodies are available and four-wheel drive is an option with the 1.3 litre petrol engine.
The design of the new Swift was previewed on the Concept S and Concept S2 concept cars at auto shows, in the years leading up to its launch. Its proportions and basic shape share similarities with the New Mini, with blacked-out A pillars and bumper-car stance.
The British Autocar magazine gave the new Swift a favourable 4/5 stars in road test, judging it a "thoroughly impressive all-rounder". The Mk4 Swift has received a four stars out of five rating in the EuroNCAP crash tests<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference">[1]</sup>.
Since its global launch in 2005, which was kicked off with a marketing campaign fronted by the footballer Cristiano Ronaldo in many European countries, the Swift has recorded above forecast sales in most markets<sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup>. In Japan, sales figures have been twice the forecast and in many European markets the model has been a runaway success<sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup>. In Denmark, the Mk¤ Swift has been consistently in Top 3 for more than 2 years and was the car with the highest sales figures in 2006<sup class="noprint Template-Fact"></sup>. In India, rapid sales of the new Swift model contributed to the 64% rise in Q1 profits for Maruti Suzuki.<sup id="cite_ref-Profit_rise_1-0" class="reference">[2]</sup>
 
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Old May 1, 2008 | 11:04 PM
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Who gives a crap if the Firefly is Canada only, this forum is read by people on both sides of the border.
Lighten up. I was making fun of GM for the name of the car, not your country, and asked the question in case it had been sold on this side of the border.

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Ummm....I'm kind of partial to my " Weeble ".(I had to pay extra for the personal tag). "96 4-cyl, 35+MPG

I love my GEO. Great parts-getter-run-around-......

BTW- It was the first new car I bought my wife. Don't know that I would spend the time and effort to make a motor swap, tho....guess it would depend on the in-laws....

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Originally Posted by jim henderson
I kind of liked the old Geo Metro.

Back in 87 I rented a 3 banger automatic during a company trip. 4 Big beefy guys all rode in that little car and it was fine. It was a bit cramped but not bad. I am 6'4" and the other guys were near 6'. By myself the car was roomier than some bigger cars I have driven. We had no problem keeping up with normal freeway traffic, although the

I think the standard Geo Metro had the 3 banger, the turbo Sprint had a 4 banger turbo and the Suzuki Swift came with a natural 4.

Still, these cars can't be worth much and you don't see that many of them anymore. So I guess this would have to be a "fun" project versus something practical.

Jim Henderson


It was a bit buzzy on the freeway but an adequate car.
Wait til it gets out of tune, they hardly can do better than being pushed... Keep them in good shape, and they do ok, but as soon as they loose a little power, better have a hill to push it down to get going..
 
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