No such thing? Why? What should I call it then, besides the invention for scammers?

Is what I have been reading about in "inventors" forums...

Alex

 

Usually, HHO is written as H20.

 

The universally accepted and used term is H20 for water, but it could also be written as HOH if someone wants to show the bonds. However, HHO is wrong for several reasons.

Occasionally, scammers also talk about "hydroxy gas" -- pure BS since there's no such thing, except in their pseudo scientific babble.

 

If people don't challenge what is in place-ie oil companies who control the flow of gas ect., then other alternatives don't rear there head. Do you see how fast oil companies are moving to control even corn production, by buying up fields or leasing them. They are afraid of loosing there power. I understand some of the ideas are crocks, but others can be added to and researched to at least provide a good suppliment to gas. Really, whats the harm in trying to overcome certain laws of physics. Read about Albert Einstien, there is a man who didn't take things at face value, but did something about it. I say let the thinkers and doers prove there stuff in our backyards, at our colleges, stores ect, then we can make informed choices to what we want to try. Bring on HHO, to my town, I want to see it work.

 

there's a reason that they are laws and not theories...

 

"whats the harm in trying to overcome certain laws of physics. '

None, but IGNORING scientific results and previous research BECAUSE of emotion and WITHOUT skepticism and logic isn't science. Don't expect respect for scams that are presented without impeccable, repeatable PROOF.

"Bring on HHO, to my town, I want to see it work."

Still think it's a good idea? Invest YOUR money in it. Be the hero who brings it to your town.

 

I, and other peopple told you this is "crock", yet you keep arguing, showing how little you know about basic (elementary school level) physics and chemistry.

Don't you think I'd love to be able to fill up with a garden hose, and drive on water alone? The fill-up is actually doable, but driving then would require a tow truck, or something equivalent.

And aside from a bit of science knowledge, there are actually 2 other ways to know, or at least suspect if something is a scam:
a) if it were really working as advertised, then it should be available for purchase from trusted sellers (i.e. Ford!) or at least there would be some functional, or proof-of-concept prototype available for some limited demo, or as in the case with some older invention (i.e. running on wood gas) some verifiable history that it works.
b) if something sounds too good to be true....

In any case, when something is breaking the laws of physics, in most cases, there is no reason to bother with further research.
You may end up watching it for a very long time, I'm afraid.

 

A Question for the brain trust...

I get the concept of thermodynamics, entropy, etc.

But it is those very concepts that have prevented me from dismissing this concept entirely. These websites and businesses are certainly scamming people, they're irreputable and use a fear of the Big Bad Oil Man as an excuse for not coming out in the open. Men love darkness because their deeds are evil.

Here's where I begin to question...Would a system somewhere along the lines of what's being presented increase the effeciency of our current motors by salvaging previously lost power and energy? Might a system following this concept recoup some of the motor's lost energy, increasing effeciency from say 80% to 85%? This is the idea behind our current hybrid technology, i.e. brakes that generate electricity when applied in order to recuop lost kenetic energy and return it to the electric system.

Here's the gist: The systems that are out there now might be a step in the right direction but the people promoting them are out for the almighty dollar and are preying on the panic of our increasingly squeezed wallets. Stay away! But if it interests you, there's enough potential viability (I believe) to experiment with it on a small scale in your own garage. It will never do what these scammers claim, but it may prove useful.

 

Why are you asking questions when your mind is made up?
Go for it.
It won't cost me a dime.

 

This is the key question in your post.

The answer is that you are NOT salvaging any lost power. You are instead burning MORE gasoline to supply the power to separate the water into its constituents and then burning those byproducts.

You can't produce enough thermal or mechanical energy than was put into the equation, therefore, you are not getting something for nothing.

It's that pesky "no such thing as a free lunch" idea.

Steve

 

There are certain things or tricks that can increase efficiency *somewhat*, but hydrogen (and breaking up water) is *not* one of them.

 

Forgot to mention, there's actually an engine (Cower six stroke) that uses some water, but it works on a very different principle than what's normally mentioned in the usual "water as fuel" threads. And BTW, it does require some real fuel, and what it actually does is utilize the heat would normally be dissipated by the radiator.
Crower six stroke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

I think people buy into the H2O for fuel scam because they believe that hydrogen powered vehicles use the hydrogen for combustion when in reality a hydrogen powered vehicle is an electric vehicle that gets its power from a hydrogen fuel cell which generates voltage by passing hydrogen gas through a membrane as it combines with oxygen in the atmosphere, the membrane will not let the electrons from th hydrogen to pass through so they must travel along the membrane surface as the hydrogen and oxygen combine to make water and eletron flow = voltage.

 

glad i read this post,i almost bought the thing,evn against my basic instinct of"if it sounds too good to be true,it ain't".

 

There are actually IC engines that can run on hydrogen, and there is at least one bi-fuel car (either Mercedes or BMW) slated for production that can run on either gasoline or hydrogen. So a hydrogen powered car doesn't have to be a fuel cell car. And the scammers claim is that adding H2 to the mix will increase the efficiency of the IC engine.

As for the scams, the litmus test is whether a system uses electricity onboard while running to generate hydrogen, or some other mythical compound like HHO, hydroxy gas, etc. If so, it's a scam, and it's a system that can't possibly work to save gasoline.