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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 01:04 AM
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I just saw an TLC program where a 1967 Camaro is getting an electric conversion.

Gadget's Electric Garage

A new program where GOING GREEN is the topic.

A rustbucket was restored and converted with 20 batteries = 250 volts.
Looks great, and with the "current" trend of using less fossil fuels, I would like a truck that would use no gasoline/diesel for myself.

Owner of the car also uses solar electricity on/for his power at home.

Going green is a growing trend, what more will FORD offer in the near future?
 
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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 01:30 AM
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Funny you should mentioned that, the show just started here about 30 minutes ago.

The whole electronic car trend makes little sense when fossil fuels are consumed to produce the power used to charge the batteries. Since this guy will be plugging the car into his house that's powered by solar energy this will truly be a green machine.

P.S. I'm glad to see they decided to hack up a beater base 6 cylinder model instead of a Z28 or a SS.
 
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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 01:49 AM
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Just had a odd thought. I'm still watching this show and they just went through the list of parts they'll need to get for this project. I noticed they mentioned they need a alternator for the thing.

That got me thinking, if you use a alternator on a electric motor in theory couldn't the motor stay running forever by constantly recharging itself? Perhaps if you used a gear reduction set up with a huge gear on the motor driving a tiny gear on the alternator, could you spin a custom built alternator fast enough to keep the vehicle running on power it's generating on its own?
 
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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 08:08 AM
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no jimbo, there is no alt.

I have a pretty good background in electric vehicles. Every time they said it was simple, i cringed. They are lying for sure. the wiring alone, is a BEAR. the controllers and safety equipment are rediculous. Also, someone care to figure up how much added weight was incured by inserting 12 batteries in the back and 8 in the front? I know they figured up to around 240 - 250 volts. Also, i wonder how much fossil fuels need to be burned to charge that car.

i dont buy the fact that the guy was selling electricity back. Solar cells are rediculously in-efficient. Most are still under 10%. Does anyone know how much electricity a factory needs to use to makes ONE solar cell? I heard rough figures that it takes around 15 years of production for a solar cell to pay for itself, much less anything else.

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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jimbo beam
That got me thinking, if you use a alternator on a electric motor in theory couldn't the motor stay running forever by constantly recharging itself?
No, you can't. It's against the law, the laws of physics. Engineers have a term for this, it's called perpetual motion.
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Perhaps if you used a gear reduction set up with a huge gear on the motor driving a tiny gear on the alternator, could you spin a custom built alternator fast enough to keep the vehicle running on power it's generating on its own?
You could use that same theory with a gas or diesel engine. Just put a 3 HP lawnmower engine in a Superduty, and gear it correctly. It will get 200 MPG and blow the doors off of a stock truck, while pulling a 20,000 trailer.

It doesn't work for my example, just like it won't work for yours.
 
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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by fordboy_52
i dont buy the fact that the guy was selling electricity back. Solar cells are rediculously in-efficient. Most are still under 10%. Matt
Not for long!! We (wont / can't say who) are working on a new film technology that we developed for LCD displays and such. We found that we can dramatically increase the efficiency of solar cells up to 20 - 30%.
 
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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 09:28 AM
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i call bs, or nasa would be using it. I was on a solar car team (KSU Solar Car Racing Team) and we used gallium rejects off of satelites

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We have a local Harley Davidson shop that operates on solar electricity, and I believe that they sell their electricity back to the only power company in town too.
 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again...I want the personal jet pack I was promised 50 years ago! Until they make a reliable one available to me at a reasonable price, I ain't buying no electric car! Even if it is a '67 Camaro!
 
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