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Old Mar 31, 2008 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jowilker
You're probably not going to like this but the Edsel was introduced in 58 and that engine that you refer to was IDed as a 361, different from the destroked 390/360 truck engine. This info comes from Steve Christ, How to Rebuild your Big-Block Ford, and is regarded as gospel by many readers here.

This info is easily verified. One source: The 1958 EDSEL PARTS CATALOG
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The Edsel 361 FE engine was used in 1958 only.

It's not in any way related to the 361 FT engine, which was introduced in 1964.

1958 Edsel 361 specs: Cast iron block and heads / 361 cid / B&S: 4.05" X 3.50" / Compression ratio: 10.5:1 / 303 HP @ 4000 RPM / This engine was a 352 with a slight overbore.

Because 1958 Edsels sold poorly, this engine (and the Lincoln derived 410 engine), were dropped after 1958.

In the fall of 1958, the Edsel Division was merged into the L/M Division to form M-E-L.
 
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Old Mar 31, 2008 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jowilker
The 360 was only used in trucks, but there is no difference between car and truck bolt patterns on FE series engines.
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C8AZ-6049-M .. Cylinder Head

Fits: All 1968/72 360 and 390 F100/350's.

Used on ALL 1968/71 Ford passenger cars except the following > >

C80Z-6049-J .. Cylinder Head / 1969 Mustang/Torino GT (without smog pump)

C8OZ-6049-B .. Cylinder Head / 1966/68 Torino/Mustang GT (without smog pump) C8OZ-B replaced: C6OZ-A; K & AA

C8AZ-6049-A .. Cylinder Head / 1966/68 390's with T/E (smog pump). C8AZ-A replaced C6AZ-D; F; J & L.

When C8AZ-6049-M was introduced in the fall of 1967, Ford replaced the 1965/67 352 head with this one for use as a service part replacement.

The early HOT ROD HiPo mags are full of errors, many part numbers were transposed to casting & engineering numbers and vice versa.

In a rush to get the mags on the newsstands, there was next to nothing done in the way of editing.

Ever since the late 1960's when these mags first appeared, the WRONG INFO has been copied over and over again without regard to checking sources or editing.

Most of the part, casting and engineering numbers were supplied to HOT ROD Magazine by Ron Koontz, who was the front parts counterman at Beverly Hills Ford and a mega HiPo Ford enthusiast.

How do I know this? I was the back parts counterman at Beverly Hills Ford.
 
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Old Mar 31, 2008 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
C8AZ-6049-M .. Cylinder Head

Fits: All 1968/72 360 and 390 F100/350's.

Used on ALL 1968/71 Ford passenger cars except the following > >

C80Z-6049-J .. Cylinder Head / 1969 Mustang/Torino GT (without smog pump)

C8OZ-6049-B .. Cylinder Head / 1966/68 Torino/Mustang GT (without smog pump) C8OZ-B replaced: C6OZ-A; K & AA

C8AZ-6049-A .. Cylinder Head / 1966/68 390's with T/E (smog pump). C8AZ-A replaced C6AZ-D; F; J & L.

When C8AZ-6049-M was introduced in the fall of 1967, Ford replaced the 1965/67 352 head with this one for use as a service part replacement.

The early HOT ROD HiPo mags are full of errors, many part numbers were transposed to casting & engineering numbers and vice versa.

In a rush to get the mags on the newsstands, there was next to nothing done in the way of editing.

Ever since the late 1960's when these mags first appeared, the WRONG INFO has been copied over and over again without regard to checking sources or editing.

Most of the part, casting and engineering numbers were supplied to HOT ROD Magazine by Ron Koontz, who was the front parts counterman at Beverly Hills Ford and a mega HiPo Ford enthusiast.

How do I know this? I was the back parts counterman at Beverly Hills Ford.

A lot of water has flowed under that bridge since the late 60's. I hope Hot Rod has been checking and double checking their sources since then. The article I quoted listed Tony Knight of the Cylinder Head Exchange, a large Southern California head "core bank" as their source.

Beverly Hills Ford? I bet you have some stories you could tell!
 
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Old Mar 31, 2008 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 19704X4F250
I stand by my original.

You can stand by your original all you want ....but you really stand CORRECTED! When someone asks a question, you can't give a pat answer anymore. Such as "Yeah it will fit." Too many varibles. Who knows what has been swapped. But we can say "This is what to look for." For the OP the engine may have been replaced with something more potent. I have seen it done. A racer retires, sells the car minus the engine. Keeps the engine for a few years, then decides to put it in his parts chaser. Forgets it is in there or doesn't care, and sells the heap to the kid down the block. Let's help these newbies a little better shall we?
I'm sorry, I don't type, I hunt and peck so I keep it to a minimum. I have learned a lot by coming here every day for 11 years and try to pass along what I have learned. I have read a lot of bad info here, but the only way I know is to say it's so when I know it's so.

My bad if that aint acceptable to you.


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Old Mar 31, 2008 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 19704X4F250
A lot of water has flowed under that bridge since the late 60's. I hope Hot Rod has been checking and double checking their sources since then. The article I quoted listed Tony Knight of the Cylinder Head Exchange, a large Southern California head "core bank" as their source.
Beverly Hills Ford? I bet you have some stories you could tell!
Because as you say, so much water has passed under the bridge, and so much has been swapped around, without FORD PARTS CATALOGS, or the MASTER CROSS REFERENCE CATALOGS, or the OSI CATALOGS...someone saying that the heads used 1965/72 on non GT's and hipo's are different, is a lotta horse dung.

With/without T/E is the only difference, and 1968/72 F100/350's do not have T/E (smog pumps).

C8AZ-6049-M head was used on damn near everything thru 1972.

The problem = blame FoMoCo, they used at least 6 different casting numbers on the exact same head (C8AZ-M), and casting numbers cannot be translated to part numbers.

Ppl see those various casting numbers, and think the heads are different in some way. Not true from 1968 thru 1972.

The C8AZ-M head was also used as a service part replacement, and so there may be some of those heads on 1965/67 F100/350's (352's as original), or 1965/67 cars with 352/390's.

1973/76 360/390 heads are a different part number. In fact, Ford replaced the original 1973 part number to a 1975 part number: D5TZ-6049-N. This head has the T/E holes in it.

Trying to figure out what head fits what, or came from gawd knows where, considering all the part number changes and all the friggen casting numbers is a major PITA!

That's why you need those three types of catalogs I referenced above.

btw: Ford still supplies the tapered plug to fill those T/E holes in the heads: C6AZ-6052-A
 
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Old Mar 31, 2008 | 06:01 PM
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I'll back what my Buddy Bill (Numberdummy) says.

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Old Mar 31, 2008 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaronmb
There is a local guy selling headers and valve covers off of a 390. My question is I have a 360, will the stuff he is selling fit on my 360?
If we go back to the original question...Valve covers... yes they will fit. When you come to headers.. maybe. If they have 8 vertical bolt holes on the 390 as the same as the 360, yes, they will fit. Watch out for 390 GT heads they have 14 exhaust bolt holes. No, headers from this head won't fit the 360. Checking on the WEB I found 428 Cobra Jet Heads with 16 exhaust bolt holes. Will headers from this head fit the 360? Not sure. It does have the 2 bottom center bolt holes that are missing from the GT head, but it may be configured differently. As one poster said "eyeball" the thing. I realize that the odds of GT or even 428 heads in a truck are small, as another poster said "swapping happens, especially when folks like us get involved" In fact, I will start a new thread for grins and giggles to see what has been swapped.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 19704X4F250
If we go back to the original question...Valve covers... yes they will fit. When you come to headers.. maybe. If they have 8 vertical bolt holes on the 390 as the same as the 360, yes, they will fit. Watch out for 390 GT heads they have 14 exhaust bolt holes. No, headers from this head won't fit the 360. Checking on the WEB I found 428 Cobra Jet Heads with 16 exhaust bolt holes. Will headers from this head fit the 360? Not sure. It does have the 2 bottom center bolt holes that are missing from the GT head, but it may be configured differently. As one poster said "eyeball" the thing. I realize that the odds of GT or even 428 heads in a truck are small, as another poster said "swapping happens, especially when folks like us get involved" In fact, I will start a new thread for grins and giggles to see what has been swapped.
The valve covers used on FE engines from 1958 thru 1964 are different than the type used 1965/76.

1958/64: The covers are rounded in shape and have no provisions for oil caps.

1965/66: The valve covers are pent roofed shaped (some called 'em wedged shaped), are plain--without lettering, and have holes in them for oil caps.

1967 thru 1976: Pent roof shaped valve covers with holes for oil fill caps.

There are three different types of lettering on these covers. Some say Powered By Ford (two different styles), one just has Ford on it in script.
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428 HEADS? ACH du LIEBER, here we go again. :-( There are FOUR different types of 428 cylinder heads.

1966/67 Galaxie/LTD's, T-Birds and P/C's without smog pumps and 1968 Galaxie/LTD/XL's use (guess what?) C8AZ-6049-M = the same exact heads the 1968/72 360 and 390 trucks, and all the passenger cars with 390's I mentioned above in post #17, use.
 
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Hey Aaronmb,

If the parts are coming off of a truck, the answer to your question is, most likely they will.
 
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Hey Aaronmb,

If the parts are coming off of a truck, the answer to your question is, most likely they will.
Yeah, im sure its ok.
 
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Originally Posted by Aaronmb
There is a local guy selling headers and valve covers off of a 390. My question is I have a 360, will the stuff he is selling fit on my 360?
Hi i have c8ae-h heads on my 361ft with 16 hole fit good there nice heads yes to fitting to a 360 my 361ft has car heads c8ae-h , car intake edelbrook
hope this helps
 
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I don't care if you are quoting Christ or GOD himself, go look at a Fairlane or a Mustang with a FE motor and then tell me the bolt patterns are the same.
+1 DIFFERENT BOLT PATTERN
 
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