http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/sc...in&oref=slogin

I really need to read the whole thing, but I know this is BS to begin with.

 

That is interesting and the land usage thing would be a problem,I think the solution is hydrogen fuel myself but that is just my opinion.

 

If you read the whole thing there is an artical at the end on making bio-fuel out of algae, Hells Bells C00nHunter is ahead of the game as he already has mucho algae in his fuel system. LOL

Rog

 

to bad ican't give you rep points for that one kawa.

 

1 grow american soybean
2 make bioDIESEL not ethanol
3 mandate 5% on and offroad blend in USA
4 soybeans breathe in CO2
5 tell Iraq we don' need no more o'yer stinkin' diesel
helps the farmers
helps the economy, makes jobs, good for yer motor
helps the C02 problem (78%) reduction
what's the problem

I aint gonna quit burnin' bio D no way no how

 

helps GRAIN farmers. not livestock producers. kills us! we get the butt of everything! high fuel to run in tractors. $700/ton fertilize this year to put on hay, after paying $60-$100/bale for hay. the we get to buy posts to keep our cows in. steel goes up, wire and t-posts go through the roof. and minerals, they cost $18/bag. feed is $189+/ton already. sorry to rant, but we have our OWN OIL if certain political groups would allow us to access it. its off shore. its in alaska. its here in the states. we can always swipe some off iraq to pay off the war debt. i don't feel biodiesel is the way. nor ethanol. sorry to rant.

good day!

 

I just read an article the other day talking about the increase of coal burning in the midwest has gone up dramatically due to the increased in ethanol production. The problem is that it's taking more energy to create it than it's worth.

No livestock for me!!! Did you catch the markets today??? March Soybeans were up 39'6 while corn was up 14'0. Maybe if we got a little bit better basis for beans I could afford a newer truck!

You can't mandate 5% biodiesel. Looks what Minnesota did last year. They did that and everything gelled up. Huge statewide problem. A lot of people were upset about that decision.

Plus, the average person is not going to buy a fuel that cost 10-50 cents more than the regular dino.

 

even if we were going to use ethenol to help, there are alot better plants to use than corn. sugar beets and some type of grass ( cant think of name) produce more alcohol/watts of energy than corn. corn is not a cost worthy product. plus there are alot of different crops than can be raised to produce biofuels from than are currently being produced. if more of these were used, whose to say that the livestock farmers might turn some of their land into producing these crops and actually make some money. besides that, we need to consume more usa beef and keep the foreign crap for dog food.

 

You referring to Switchgrass Crew, right? Switchgrass grown for biofuel production produced 540 percent more energy than needed to grow it Compared to corn that runs negative numbers. It takes more fuel to make the Corn than it produces. Politics are alive an well!

 

Why is everyone so concerned with oil from over seas?? Its been proven that the majority of our oil comes from (get this) CANADA, and velezuala (sp.) Secondly, that article is talking about third world countries destroying land for crop growth of bio. DOESNT ANYONE IN THAT GROUP SEE THAT THATS WHY WE ARE PRODUCING IT?? to get away from oil dependency??? Seriously, that might be the most eloquently spoken retarded statement that I have ever heard. I thought we were growing it to
1, cut down on oil dependency, resulting in lower fossil fuel prices
2 Cut out the cost of taxing, and import feesw involved with it as well as shipping
costs
3 Supply the economic stability that we need in the farming community now MORE
THAN EVER.


Not to bash anyone but @stroke, your WAYYYY off base here. Bio inst whate efecting you. The workers wage for steel from overseas is substantionally lower, and you have to equate all of this into shipping as well as supply and demand. Fact o the matter is steel goes up for everyone, not the 1 million pounds of fence post sold annually. With overall construction and rebuilds booming all over the easteren hemisphere due to natural disasters as well as the flood of US tax dollars and grants, THATS where the cheaper steel is being sent, causing higher prices for you and I here in the states because we are using our OWN higher priced steel. Per ton, its cheaper to buy it from overseas, ship it here, put the markup on it and sell it that it is to buy our own. Isnt that a crock??? Anyhow, I am done ranting now as well. If you made it this far reading, sorry I wasted your time. LOL

 

Switchgrass sounds like it is the ticket but it has many flaws. Perhaps the biggest problem with it is how you transport it.

Obtaining energy from cellular tissue is nothing new. The technology has been around for years. The bottom line is that it still costs was to much money to make energy from it. Hence, that is why we are using corn. The extraction process is much simplier.

The idea sounds awsome, but realistically, like everything else it has its drawbacks.

There is a cellular biomass plant located about 10 miles south of my house. This plant has been around for quite some years. However, the actual production of this place is minimal at best. They had like 20,000 round bales on the site that caught fire a couple years back. Quite the specticle.

 

not only does ours come from elsewhere, but our good oil that we harvest we export, just like our steel industry.

We sell off what we have, and buy other peoples crap.

Taxes are only supposto be levied upon exported and imported goods from the federal government.
Federal taxes are unconstitutional. State taxes are not.

 

i'll sell you some real cheap




does the 100% bio gell really easy? did i read that right?

 

That is my understanding. Also, that is why we do not use bio in combat because of the Gell Factor. I think the Government only uses B-5 to B-20 outside of combat.

On the west coast I think you would be hard pressed to find anything over B-20 and probably only B-5.

Oh, by the way, your offer to sell me some of your algea, does that include new or used filters?

Rog

 

no, bio is about the same as #2, its veggie that gells (coagulates) at low temp. This only holds true for really GOOD bio that has been dryed. If its crap bio (our trucks will still run it) it will gell at about 10 to 15 degrees. Or so I have learned.