russian jet bomber
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Originally Posted by sierraben
Looks like the "Cold War" never really ended, but could be heating up a bit.
Now that Russia is making tons of money from their sale of oil, their military is
getting a face lift.
Remember, Putin was ex KGB, so he has that KGB mentality.
Now that Russia is making tons of money from their sale of oil, their military is
getting a face lift.
Remember, Putin was ex KGB, so he has that KGB mentality.
Last edited by xlt4me; Feb 12, 2008 at 02:20 PM.
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We should be building bridges with Putin against the Muslim enemy. Both sides have too many people nostalgic for the Cold war, and they forget that historically the US and Russia didn't have any beefs until after the 1917 Revolution when the US backed the Tsar.
To hell with all the stupid "human rights" nonsense. We should be cooperating to cut up the Middle East into spheres of influence, and sharing intel on killing Jihadists. I don't care if Putin wastes every Chechen and sows the place with salt like Carthage.
As for the flybys, both the US Navy and the Russian air force are looking for a post-Cold War mission to justify their big-ticket item budgets. If we were serious about nation-state wars we'd have continued buying updated Tomcats instead of scrapping them for F-18s because the Navy bungled the A-12 program. If the Russians were serious their nuclear subs wouldn't be rotting in port beyond repair (they cannot even afford to scrap them).
To hell with all the stupid "human rights" nonsense. We should be cooperating to cut up the Middle East into spheres of influence, and sharing intel on killing Jihadists. I don't care if Putin wastes every Chechen and sows the place with salt like Carthage.
As for the flybys, both the US Navy and the Russian air force are looking for a post-Cold War mission to justify their big-ticket item budgets. If we were serious about nation-state wars we'd have continued buying updated Tomcats instead of scrapping them for F-18s because the Navy bungled the A-12 program. If the Russians were serious their nuclear subs wouldn't be rotting in port beyond repair (they cannot even afford to scrap them).
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Did'nt one of those (russian bombers) fly into Japan or China air space briefly last week also?
Someone metioned the C130 earlier. One of my favorites is Fat Albert (Blue Angles) that takes off at a 45 degree angle with the JATO rocket pack. That's very impressive to see in person. I go to the local air show just for that alone.
Someone metioned the C130 earlier. One of my favorites is Fat Albert (Blue Angles) that takes off at a 45 degree angle with the JATO rocket pack. That's very impressive to see in person. I go to the local air show just for that alone.
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If you want a Russian plane to worry about, enjoy this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu-160
Mach 2+, 130 tons of fuel to give it a 15hour cruise range and in-flight refueling on top of that. 88,200lbs ordnance capacity.
Soviet tech is nothing to laugh at. Yes, their stuff is goofy looking a touch crude at times, but it lasts and can be easily fixed in the field.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu-160
Mach 2+, 130 tons of fuel to give it a 15hour cruise range and in-flight refueling on top of that. 88,200lbs ordnance capacity.
Soviet tech is nothing to laugh at. Yes, their stuff is goofy looking a touch crude at times, but it lasts and can be easily fixed in the field.
Last edited by Ford_Six; Feb 12, 2008 at 08:48 PM.
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Originally Posted by Ford_Six
If you want a Russian plane to worry about, enjoy this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu-160
Mach 2+, 130 tons of fuel to give it a 15hour cruise range and in-flight refueling on top of that. 88,200lbs ordnance capacity.
Soviet tech is nothing to laugh at. Yes, their stuff is goofy looking a touch crude at times, but it lasts and can be easily fixed in the field.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu-160
Mach 2+, 130 tons of fuel to give it a 15hour cruise range and in-flight refueling on top of that. 88,200lbs ordnance capacity.
Soviet tech is nothing to laugh at. Yes, their stuff is goofy looking a touch crude at times, but it lasts and can be easily fixed in the field.
And both sides have lethal payloads.
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Originally Posted by Gevans17
Ever notice that most Ruskie planes look like near exact replicas of ours. That TU-160 sure looks like a B-1 to me.
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They look similar, but note that human knowledge of aerodynamics and engineering is at a given level so expecting great differences between aircraft designed for similar missions makes little sense. The Russians have done many interesting designs, and their airlifters are so capable that a considerable portion of the US cargo flown into IRAQ goes via Russian aircraft.
Of course the US failure to expand and update its airlift fleet is a huge example of military incompetence (if Billy Mitchell could fall on his sword for air power, why has no one since shown equal testicular fortitude?), but no one will be held accountable for it.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/1...ssian_071026w/
http://www.russiablog.org/2007/09/ru...start_an12.php
http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/...ian_jets26735/
"All of this does pose an interesting question - if the Pentagon continues using Russian companies to provide critical logistical support for the U.S. military in Iraq and Afghanistan, how seriously should Americans be taking all of the current hype about a "New Cold War" between the U.S. and Russia?"
Of course the US failure to expand and update its airlift fleet is a huge example of military incompetence (if Billy Mitchell could fall on his sword for air power, why has no one since shown equal testicular fortitude?), but no one will be held accountable for it.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/1...ssian_071026w/
http://www.russiablog.org/2007/09/ru...start_an12.php
http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/...ian_jets26735/
"All of this does pose an interesting question - if the Pentagon continues using Russian companies to provide critical logistical support for the U.S. military in Iraq and Afghanistan, how seriously should Americans be taking all of the current hype about a "New Cold War" between the U.S. and Russia?"
Last edited by monckywrench; Feb 12, 2008 at 09:12 PM.
I guess.
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"They say to mimic is a sincere form of flattery. I guess."
Don't forget the US and Soviets split the same large cadre of German scientists after WWII. Their basic concepts were so good that they lasted long enough for engine and flight control tech to catch up. There is good reason the B-2 looks like the Horten.
Don't forget the US and Soviets split the same large cadre of German scientists after WWII. Their basic concepts were so good that they lasted long enough for engine and flight control tech to catch up. There is good reason the B-2 looks like the Horten.
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Originally Posted by Keepin It Real
All this waxing nostalgic about the Cold War makes me want to go out and rent "Dr. Strangelove". If you haven't seen it, do. It is my favorite movie.
"Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb"
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Originally Posted by sierraben
Like the Concordeski, a lookalike of the Concorde.
This thread got my looking at Antonov aircraft on Wiki-
Damn the internet and it's vast collection of knowledge that keeps me up at night!
Oh yeah, and I have Dr. Strangelove on DVD. Cool movie, aside from the crappy special effects. Never realized that was a Stanley Kubrick film. That must be why I like it.
For a piece of trivia, what famous actor made his first appearance in this movie?
Last edited by Ford_Six; Feb 13, 2008 at 12:06 AM.