Gm just recalled 181,000 HHRS for not meeting federal crash test standards.

Heres the link: http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-recal...olet-hhrs.html
Hey at least you tried, and at least you stayed domestic.

 

Least he is out of the Titan.....

 

I won't...but you shoulda bought the Edge.

 

The difference between my trade and the Edge was over 8 grand for the model I wanted. Since the Titan was paid off, I saw no reason to just give it away. If I couldn't get KBB for it...I was going to keep it. My mistake was buying it in the first place. The Titan was like new with only 5328 miles on the clock.

The GM dealer gave me KBB for the Titan, and after rebates and dealer discounts, I basically paid the tax and license for the 2008 model.

No, I didn't buy an HHR. Besides being fugly, I could barely fit behind the wheel. When one is 6-5, 335 lbs...one doesn't fit in too many vehicles.

btw: The last Chevy I owned was in 1975.

 

I'm not sure if you mentioned it Bill, but which model did you end up going with (if you don't mind saying)?

 

The "crate" is a Saturn.

I usually don't put names on my vehicles, but here's the exception...it's orange!

My wife said...."it will be easy to spot in the airport parking lot."

After owning 5 straight vehicles with fugly blah grey interiors, whatever I bought had to have a tan interior...and the only vehicle the Saturn dealer had with a tan interior...had an orange exterior.

Whatever happened to the interiors of vehicles?

Once, one could get tan, blue, green, red, white, even yellow interiors. Grey was non existant till the late 1970's. Now, the usual choices are tan or grey in most cases.

I HATE grey interiors.

 

If you don't mind me asking, why did you get rid of the Titan?

 

That intresting, my neighbour has one of those saturns and just looking at from across the street it doesn't look like it would have the leg room a guy of your size requires, guess you can't judge a book by it's cover

 

Carlos Ghosn, head of Renault/Nissan has stated that Nissan will (prolly) soon drop the Titan, Armada, and Infiniti QX56. Sales of this trio have dropped steadily since the first year (2004). First year Titan sales were 93,000 units, 85,000 in 2005, 70 something thousand in 2006, 2007 sales were 65,000 something. Break even point was originally 100,000 units.

How many ppl know that 2008 Titan King Cabs can be ordered with an 8' bed, a Crew Cab with a 7' foot bed? Prolly next to no one knows, because Nissan hasn't had ONE ad stating these facts.

Resale value: NO ONE wants to get stuck with an "orphan!"

When Nissan formally announces the trio will be discontinued (prolly next year), the resale value will drop like a stone to almost nothing.

Are these vehicles dogs?

No...the real reason the trio has never sold here is lack of advertising. Renault controls Nissan, and the (no ethnic slurs, please. moderator) have never had a klew on how to sell vehicles in the US market.

Ads were so so on 2004's and some crappy un-believable ads are running for the current 2008 models. Almost NO ads were seen on 2005/2006/2007 models. I've seen exactly one ad for an Armada, and that was back in 2004.

Once there were Citroens, Renaults, Delage's, Delahaye's, Simca's, Peugeots (known as Puked's for a very good reason), Panhards etc. sold widely in the US. How many new model French cars have you seen on US highways recently?

NONE!

The last French cars sold in the US were Peugeots...circa mid 1990's.

Not one French vehicle has been imported since.

btw: The two local Nissan dealers offered me LESS than 15 grand on a trade for a new Murano. This on a truck with an original MSRP of $30,450.00 in like new condition with only 5328 miles.

What does THAT tell you?

 

Only Hudson offers "Step-Down" Ride...a quote from 1948 when Hudson offered the first unibodied car with a floor astride the frame rails. In other words, the floor dips down past the rocker panels = with foot wells big enough for the 14" gunboats of some of us oversized sasquatched ppl.

The legroom is better than: Ford Escape/Mazda Tribute, Ford Explorer, Toyota RAV4 and Highlander, Honda CRV and Pilot, Nissan Rogue/Pathfinder/Xterra, Chevy HHR.

And sadly...the Mustangs of any vintage. No matter what is tried...seat up/seat down...wheel tilted up...the right knee hits the steering wheel when the foot goes from the gas pedal to brake pedal. Why oh why Ford doesn't offer a Mustang with a telescopic steering wheel is beyond me.

The Kia Sorrento and Hyundai Santa Fe have more legroom than any of the above...but who wants one a those piles? The build quality is awful, and those two are a body on frame design and weigh almost 2 1/2 tons.

The resale value on Kia/Hyundai is almost as bad as a Titan, which is slightly better than a Dodge Ram, and better than a Buick...which has the worst resale value of any vehicle sold in the US. According to Automotive News (2007), a three year old Buick retains only 35% of its original MSRP.

 

So potential poor resale value scared you off. Of course, if you chose to drive the truck into the ground (depending on how long that takes), resale value isn't all that important.

It's really a shame Nissan is choosing to ax the Titan, as I find the the Titan to be superior to comparable 07+ Tundras and Rams. The 5.6 is a really sweet mill and the truck is just really nice all around.

I, personally, see Titan ads quite a bit. They are low impact ads that leave next to no impression, however. No hanging the truck by the bed bolts or stopping a huge trailer just inches from a canyon there.

If Nissan would have made a bigger push for the commercial market (with low content, V6 trucks) with the Titan, and the trucks proved themselves in a work environment, I think Titan sales would have continued to grow, from commercal to personal use buyer. As it stands now the Titan sales seem to have benefitted from the early adopters, not your traditional full-size truck buyer. The Titan had some initial quality slip ups that I think hurt it's peception a bit, but the Tundra had even more. I guess the Titan didn't have the benefit of the teflon T on the grille.

I don't quite understand the teflon T though, since the Nissan hardbody was 10x the truck any pre-Tacoma Toyota compact p/u ever was. It took Toyota a VERY long time to comprehend the benefits of double wall bed construction, something Nissan figured out in the mid-80s.

The little Nissan Z24 would run circles (and pull circles) around the Toy 22R as well.

 

Poor resale value was one reason..the longer I owned it, the worse it would be. 8 MPG city was another..I live up on the top of a very steep hill. One can watch the gas gauge drop as the speedometer rises! I also wanted more usuable interior space. It's tough fitting four howling, drooling Basset Hounds in the back seat of a crew cab.

Don't see too many ads, because I don't watch too much TV except for the various History and Discovery channels, PBS and TCM. We receive around 30 magazines a month...mostly auto/travel/scientific related (my wife is a corrosion engineer)...no Titan ads to be seen anywhere in any of them.

btw: It pays to advertise: The 2007 Tundra outsold BOTH the 2007 AND 2008 Titan in model year 2007 by nearly 125,000 units.

Consider: The Tundra was introduced the 2nd week of February 2007...months after the 2007 Titan, introduced in September 2006...and the 2008 Titans...introduced in May 2007!

 

You can say that till your blue in the face........Bill will never admit it.

He used to think poor sales was because of no rebates......that was mistaken also.

Don't know what you consider "low impact".... flipping a bed upside down with a motorcycle in it, trying to bend a frame with a locomotive, heavy off roading with the front bumper slapping the body, pulling a gigantic boat up a steep grade while passing a caravan of "lesser" vehicles seem to try and convey toughness/ability.

Urban legend has it Nissan dropped the towing ads because the Dana 44 rears were so fragile......don't shoot the messenger.

 

Sigh.........the MAIN reason(s) Titans didn't sell was the total lack of configurations the first 4 years. How many motor combos were there? How many cab/bed combos?

Combine that with the poor launch quaility wise and it never recovered.

The irony is that the Titan probably did half way decent sales wise if you compared sales to JUST the top motor offerings from other brands.

It does intrigue me, however, that Nissan would FINALLY offer a bunch of different cab/bed configurations on a lame duck product.

 

I say they are low impact because I don't remember them just minutes after I see them. The Tundra ads are pretty hard to forget, as are Ford bed bolt ads (and new towing hook ads).

8 mpg city might be another reason why their sales are bad.