Purple people Eater?
Mitch
see the posting on ebay item 320213507097 there is an ebayer decoding the D.S.O.
as One more piece of information about ford f100 trucks. the dso indicates that this truck was indead delivered from the Twin Cities Plant but the 1600 indicates that this was the 1600th truck with special order equipment delivered from this plant that year. This truck was produced in November 1971 and it was the 163 off the line for year model 1972 fo the Twin Cities plant. The number in the DSO and the number in the serial do not relate to each other. production year if from novembet to october and DSO is from January thru December. Also the D on the body code indicates the interior trim. The D indicates sportcustom with a black vinyl seat not vinyl and cloth. So you just have a truck ordered by someone who wanted it Purple
Thanks for the welcome to FTE.
The postings on the truck have been intresting!
The truck is listed beyond alot of price barriers, But haven't seen anyone disprove the fact of it being the last one or the fact that Ford Specail Ordered the truck or the other facts that are in the posting.
I am not an expert, however with all the bull on the truck I can not find anything any were that disproves the information.
Throw the guy a bone!
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see the posting on ebay item 320213507097 there is an ebayer decoding the D.S.O.
as One more piece of information about ford f100 trucks. the dso indicates that this truck was indead delivered from the Twin Cities Plant but the 1600 indicates that this was the 1600th truck with special order equipment delivered from this plant that year. No...it does not..where are you getting your info from? This truck was produced in November 1971 and it was the 163 off the line for year model 1972 fo the Twin Cities plant. The number in the DSO and the number in the serial do not relate to each other. production year if from novembet to october and DSO is from January thru December. Also the D on the body code indicates the interior trim. The D indicates sportcustom with a black vinyl seat not vinyl and cloth. So you just have a truck ordered by someone who wanted it Purple
A 6 digit DSO, as I have explained many times reflects a DOMESTIC SPECIAL ORDER. The first 2 digits are for the Ford district office where the original selling dealer ordered the vehicle from. The last 4 digits is the INVOICE NUMBER for the special equiment added.
Because parts may be used when a special order is present that are not in parts catalogs, when they are needed to repair the vehicle...there has to be a way to get find out what they are and where to get them.
When this occurs, the dealer contacts Ford...gives them the 6 digits of the DSO...Ford looks up the INVOICE NUMBER the 4 digits reflect, and gives the dealer the part numbers for the added special equipment.
This same system is still used today.
I was a Ford partsman for over 35 years (1962/97).
I've decoded 1000's of VIN's over the years, and prolly several hundred here on FTE. A least 20 of the decoded VIN's here on FTE had 6 digit DSO's.
I have called Ford many times...to find out what special equipment was added by using Ford's 6 digit DSO system.
I have never have claimed to be an expert on anything.
Where in print does it say I claimed to be an expert?
I (ebay user: m1895winchester) contacted the seller on ebay, and gave the him this same info. I also decoded the VIN / F10 = F100 2WD / G = 302 2V / P = Twin Cities Assembly Plant / last 6 digits of the VIN = the Numerical Sequence of Assembly.
I also asked the seller to post or show a close up pic of the Warranty Plate, located on the left door face below the latch.
The Warranty Plate is plainly visible in one of the pictures, so I know it's there.
The only thing shown close up in the listing is the Certification Label, which only has the VIN on it. This label is glued on the B pillar.
Last edited by NumberDummy; Feb 1, 2008 at 03:47 PM.
see the posting on ebay item 320213507097 there is an ebayer decoding the D.S.O.
as One more piece of information about ford f100 trucks. the dso indicates that this truck was indead delivered from the Twin Cities Plant but the 1600 indicates that this was the 1600th truck with special order equipment delivered from this plant that year. This truck was produced in November 1971 and it was the 163 off the line for year model 1972 fo the Twin Cities plant.
The number in the DSO and the number in the serial do not relate to each other. Correct
production year if from novembet to october and DSO is from January thru December. The DSO begins on the first day of assembly for whatever model year. The first day could be in August, September...whatever.
It does not begin in January UNLESS that month is the first time the new models are first assembled.
Also the D on the body code indicates the interior trim. The D indicates sportcustom with a black vinyl seat not vinyl and cloth. So you just have a truck ordered by someone who wanted it Purple
According to the 1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalog ~ 1972 Trim Scheme Codes ~ Page 5 ~ The letter D decodes to: F100/600 (81B): Black Vinyl / 81B is a Custom Cab.
No mention is made of Sports Custom in the trim scheme codes...just what I posted above, which is verbatum from the catalog.
Verified Information of what I've posted > > A CD version of the 1964/72 Ford truck parts catalog that I'm using is available from: hipoparts com.
The catalog explains everything from the DSO system (General Information Section) to the trim codes, and everything in between.
Last edited by NumberDummy; Feb 1, 2008 at 03:43 PM.
I am not an expert by any means. However there is another ebayer with the same information the seller posted. I do not know who is right. However the ebayer pscys4cda seems to know what they are talking about.
Can you disprove any other information the seller has posted as far as the truck being rare, one of a kind etc.. You agree that the truck is a Special Order, it did not appear that you disputed the fact that it was rare, one of a kind. However you are mocking the seller on the D.S.O.
The seller clearly states that they have a letter from Dearborn Ford and that N00163 is Consecutive unit number.
Not sure what you are talking about as far as the the Warranty Plate if that is were the vin number is listed I did see a photo of that on the listing. The seller states that Dearborn Ford decoded it and they have a letter from Ford.
I have copied your question and the sellers answer along with another ebayers Question and the sellers answer.
When I read your posting at end of the posting you sign off Bill Retired Ford parts manage/Ford author/historian/collector.
Here is my question to you why would the seller not post your information you appear to be an expert. As the saying goes if you walk and squawk like a duck you must be a duck.
The seller clearly thanks you for your expertise tells you they will post the information then asks you for your expertise again. In the sellers reply to you they assume you are an expert as you are telling them they are wrong and by the way you sign off would lead anyone the believe you are a Ford Author/Historian/
Did you ever correct the seller, that you are not an expert?
There is another posting from an ebayer pcsys4cda are you calling him a liar also with the information that he has posted about the D.S.O??
Are you also saying by your posting on the forum that ebayers are not ‘experts”?
Then you go on the forum and disrespect the seller and post the following:
The "experts" told him that. Read the comments posted by fellow ebayers (at the bottom of the listing) to see the sellers response on who the "experts' are. There's also the correct DSO info posted. A fellow ebayer (who would NEVER claim to be an expert), gave him the correct info. An expert IMO, is someone who skims thru one book, and then claims to know it all. In this case, the experts are totally clueless....and know about as much about old truck values, as a mule knows about lap dancing!
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Bill / Retired Ford Parts Manager / Part Number Research / Trucks: 1948/91 / Cars: 1949/79
The below posting was on ebay
Q: Someone gave you the WRONG info on the DSO number. 1600 does not mean that only 1600 were produced. The truck was originally a DOMESTIC SPECIAL ORDER. When someone orders a vehicle special the usual two digit DSO becomes 6 digits. The first two digits reflect the Ford sales district where the vehicle was ordered from (58 = Twin Cities MN). The last four digits are for the FORD INVOICE NUMBER for the special equipment added. Special equipment may not be found in parts catalogs, so if the special equipment needs repairs, the dealer will contact Ford, give them the 6 digit DSO, and Ford will tell them what was special and where to find the parts. This same system is STILL used today. Special equipment in this case may only be the non standard color. Bill Retired Ford parts manager / Ford author/historian/collector/ Jan-31-08
A: Bill, Thanks for that correction. You are the only person in all of our research that has given us that information and I will post this information on ebay. My source for the information is Twin City Ford - One of the Original painters that remember painting the trucks, There were also two other persons at the same plant we spoke with, We also were in contact with Ford in Dearborn,Mi who supplied us with the letter decoding the Vin. I did see from your email that you are a Ford Author/Historian/Collector/ With your knowledge as a Collector/Historian/Author can you add any information on the truck. We do know from our research that the truck was a Special Order right from Ford and only offered in the Northern District. It is all Original with the original Purple People Eater Decal Helmet. On the number made there we were told by some 1600 and from another person from Ford about 2000. Have you ever seen a truck like this in your findings? Where are you from? With your expertise do you have any further information to add?? Thanks for your knowledge, I will post your information.
Ebayer Question
One more piece of information about ford f100 trucks. the dso indicates that this truck was indeed delivered from the Twin Cities Plant but the 1600 indicates that this was the 1600th truck with special order equipment delivered from this plant that year. This truck was produced in November 1971 and it was the 163 off the line for year model 1972 of the Twin Cities plant. The number in the DSO and the number in the serial do not relate to each other. production year if from November to October and DSO is from January thru December. Also the D on the body code indicates the interior trim. The D indicates sport custom with a black vinyl seat not vinyl and cloth. So you just have a truck ordered by someone who wanted it Purple
Sellers Answer
Pcsys4cdh, The seller agrees with your facts on the D.S.O. The Color Purple was a Special Promotion that Ford directly ordered for only the Northern District. The seller did get this information from a Ford dealership owner who remembers the trucks being order that dealership owner also says that the decal of the Purple People Eater was put on at the Twin Cities Plant. In 197X the Minnesota Vikings were on their way to the Super Bowl. The Seller also was in contact with one of the original painter of the Twin City Plant that painted the trucks when they were in production. There is an ebayer and blogger on https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/7...ple-eater.html saying that the 1600 is an invoice number. We both know that is not true. Your facts are with the seller’s findings. The seller has a letter on Ford letter head from Dearborn Mi. with the decoding of the Vin as follows: F10 F-100 Series G 302 2V-8 Cylinder Engine P Twin Cities Assembly Plant N00163 Consecutive Unit Number. The truck was produced on 11/08/1971 per the Ford Letter. So your fact finding information are again with the sellers. The seller argues with pcsys4cdh that it is only a purple truck. The purple truck was a special order from Ford themselves and offered only in the Northern District with a Purple People Eater Helmet of the Minnesota Vikings and maybe a one of a kind left. Do you know the number produced in Purple with the Minnesota Vikings Purple People Eater Helmet? Thanks for your information on the D.S.O backing up the sellers findings that the 1600 is not an invoice number!! Thanks for your information on the D.S.O backing up the sellers findings that the 1600 is not an invoice number!!
RuFubar?
I am not an expert by any means. However there is another ebayer with the same information the seller posted. I do not know who is right. However the ebayer pscys4cda seems to know what they are talking about.
Can you disprove any other information the seller has posted as far as the truck being rare, one of a kind etc.. You agree that the truck is a Special Order, it did not appear that you disputed the fact that it was rare, one of a kind. However you are mocking the seller on the D.S.O. Because the info is wrong...see below.
The seller clearly states that they have a letter from Dearborn Ford and that N00163 is Consecutive unit number. That info is correct...it's the last 6 digits of the posted VIN.
Not sure what you are talking about as far as the the Warranty Plate if that is were the vin number is listed I did see a photo of that on the listing. The seller states that Dearborn Ford decoded it and they have a letter from Ford.
Since the Body code is posted above, it could only have come from the Warranty Plate...it's not listed on the Certification Label
I have copied your question and the sellers answer along with another ebayers Question and the sellers answer.
When I read your posting at end of the posting you sign off Bill Retired Ford parts manage/Ford author/historian/collector.
Here is my question to you why would the seller not post your information you appear to be an expert. As the saying goes if you walk and squawk like a duck you must be a duck. I'm a retired Ford parts manager, a writer on Automotive History and a car collector since 1956. The author/historian/collector info is not in my signature on FTE...that's what I signed my ebay message to the seller with. But I've never claimed to be expert.
The seller clearly thanks you for your expertise tells you they will post the information then asks you for your expertise again. In the sellers reply to you they assume you are an expert as you are telling them they are wrong and by the way you sign off would lead anyone the believe you are a Ford Author/Historian/ Ppl can believe anything they want...but where does it say I'm an expert? I
Did you ever correct the seller, that you are not an expert? Again, I have never claimed to be an expert.
There is another posting from an ebayer pcsys4cda are you calling him a liar also with the information that he has posted about the D.S.O?? I'm not calling anyone anything...I made it plain several times what a 6 digit DSO refers to, and that info can be verified by looking in the General Information Section of any Ford parts catalog...as I previously stated.
Are you also saying by your posting on the forum that ebayers are not ‘experts”?
Then you go on the forum and disrespect the seller and post the following:
The "experts" told him that. Read the comments posted by fellow ebayers (at the bottom of the listing) to see the sellers response on who the "experts' are. There's also the correct DSO info posted. A fellow ebayer (who would NEVER claim to be an expert), gave him the correct info. An expert IMO, is someone who skims thru one book, and then claims to know it all. In this case, the experts are totally clueless....and know about as much about old truck values, as a mule knows about lap dancing! An ex-football coach is hardly an expert on vehicle pricing...and my comments are in line with what other ppl on this site said.
The below posting was on ebay This the ebay message I sent the seller > >
Q: Someone gave you the WRONG info on the DSO number. 1600 does not mean that only 1600 were produced. The truck was originally a DOMESTIC SPECIAL ORDER. When someone orders a vehicle special the usual two digit DSO becomes 6 digits. The first two digits reflect the Ford sales district where the vehicle was ordered from (58 = Twin Cities MN). The last four digits are for the FORD INVOICE NUMBER for the special equipment added. Special equipment may not be found in parts catalogs, so if the special equipment needs repairs, the dealer will contact Ford, give them the 6 digit DSO, and Ford will tell them what was special and where to find the parts. This same system is STILL used today. Special equipment in this case may only be the non standard color. Bill Retired Ford parts manager / Ford author/historian/collector/ Jan-31-08
A: Bill, Thanks for that correction. You are the only person in all of our research that has given us that information and I will post this information on ebay. My source for the information is Twin City Ford - One of the Original painters that remember painting the trucks, There were also two other persons at the same plant we spoke with, We also were in contact with Ford in Dearborn,Mi who supplied us with the letter decoding the Vin. I did see from your email that you are a Ford Author/Historian/Collector/ With your knowledge as a Collector/Historian/Author can you add any information on the truck. We do know from our research that the truck was a Special Order right from Ford and only offered in the Northern District. It is all Original with the original Purple People Eater Decal Helmet. On the number made there we were told by some 1600 and from another person from Ford about 2000. Have you ever seen a truck like this in your findings? Where are you from? With your expertise do you have any further information to add?? Thanks for your knowledge, I will post your information.
Ebayer Question
One more piece of information about ford f100 trucks. the dso indicates that this truck was indeed delivered from the Twin Cities Plant but the 1600 indicates that this was the 1600th truck with special order equipment delivered from this plant that year. This truck was produced in November 1971 and it was the 163 off the line for year model 1972 of the Twin Cities plant. The number in the DSO and the number in the serial do not relate to each other. production year if from November to October and DSO is from January thru December. Also the D on the body code indicates the interior trim. The D indicates sport custom with a black vinyl seat not vinyl and cloth. So you just have a truck ordered by someone who wanted it Purple
Sellers Answer
Pcsys4cdh, The seller agrees with your facts on the D.S.O. The Color Purple was a Special Promotion that Ford directly ordered for only the Northern District. The seller did get this information from a Ford dealership owner who remembers the trucks being order that dealership owner also says that the decal of the Purple People Eater was put on at the Twin Cities Plant. In 197X the Minnesota Vikings were on their way to the Super Bowl. The Seller also was in contact with one of the original painter of the Twin City Plant that painted the trucks when they were in production. There is an ebayer and blogger on https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/7...ple-eater.html saying that the 1600 is an invoice number. We both know that is not true. IT IS TRUE...AND I HAVE TOLD YOU WHERE YOU CAN GET THE PROOF FROM.Your facts are with the seller’s findings. The seller has a letter on Ford letter head from Dearborn Mi. with the decoding of the Vin as follows: F10 F-100 Series G 302 2V-8 Cylinder Engine P Twin Cities Assembly Plant N00163 Consecutive Unit Number. The truck was produced on 11/08/1971 per the Ford Letter. So your fact finding information are again with the sellers. The seller argues with pcsys4cdh that it is only a purple truck. The purple truck was a special order from Ford themselves and offered only in the Northern District with a Purple People Eater Helmet of the Minnesota Vikings and maybe a one of a kind left. Do you know the number produced in Purple with the Minnesota Vikings Purple People Eater Helmet? Thanks for your information on the D.S.O backing up the sellers findings that the 1600 is not an invoice number!! Thanks for your information on the D.S.O backing up the sellers findings that the 1600 is not an invoice number!!
RuFubar?
First two digits: The Ford district sales zone where the truck was originally ordered from.
Last four digits: The Ford special order invoice number for whatever was special on the vehicle.
The 6 digit DSO has been used by Ford since 1948...and the 4 digits translated to the same thing then...and today = the invoice number.
If a vehicle has special equipment added, how would a dealer know that it was factory installed?
The ONLY way that info can be found out is from the 6 digit DSO number, which ford translates. Nothing else on the vehicle lists that info.
1973/79 F350 trucks sold to U-Haul...all have 6 digit DSO's because all were especially built for U-Haul by Ford. But...not all the DSO are the same...each vehicle is different.
Verbatum from the: 1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalog ~ General Information Section ~ Page 22.
D.S.O. / L.P.O. / F.S.O. (Special Orders).
"The two digit District Code Number will appear in the DSO space on the rating or warranty plate for all units including regular production. Always furnish appropriate warranty or rating plate and DSO number, if applicable, when ordering parts not listed in the catalog. If the unit is special order: DSO, FSO or LPO, the COMPLETE ORDER NUMBER will be shown in the DSO space in addition to the two digit District Code Number."
Complete order number: the invoice number for the special equipment = the last 4 digits of the DSO.
Purple People Eater: District Code Number: 58 / Complete Order Number: 1600.
Last edited by NumberDummy; Feb 1, 2008 at 07:13 PM.



