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Stuck!
Last night I tested how far up my "forest-road" I could drive. It was snowing and partly ice on the road. Of course I slipped of the road at last (-:
(Had to pull it up with my tractor and timber-winch).
But what I noticed was that the truck was spinning both the front and the rear wheel at the right side. The truck was laying hard over on the left side. So there was no weight on the right side wheels. But shouldn`t the limited slip rear made the left wheel spin anyway???
(Had to pull it up with my tractor and timber-winch).
But what I noticed was that the truck was spinning both the front and the rear wheel at the right side. The truck was laying hard over on the left side. So there was no weight on the right side wheels. But shouldn`t the limited slip rear made the left wheel spin anyway???
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Limited slip means just that, limited, so there will still be some slip. I have LS on my 2wd diesel, and under the right conditions, I will still see only one wheel spinning (ie, lots of weight on one side). If there is equal (or close to it) wight distribution, then that LS really shines, but with enough weight difference from one wheel to the next, it will still settle into a one wheel spin situation.
Some torque is probably going to the other wheel, just not enough to actually move it. OEM LS differentials also tend to be fairly loose to avoid drivability issues. For most off road situations, nothing really beats a locker.
Some torque is probably going to the other wheel, just not enough to actually move it. OEM LS differentials also tend to be fairly loose to avoid drivability issues. For most off road situations, nothing really beats a locker.
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Yes, a locker would be great. I had a tread in here once about powertrax lockers. Don`t know if I am stupid or what..., but I didn`t understand ****.
(open,posi,LS,..and so on)
As I said the rear axle is a 10,25 LS. Does any of the "lunch-box" lockers fit in??
Really don`t want to mess with the ring and pinion.
Since I have to have it sent to Norway, I have to br 100% sure I have got the right parts. Maybe I should have had one for my Dana50 front too?
I would really appreciate if anyone would help me find the right partnumbers at summitracing.com
(Have been shopping at Summit earlier and is very happy with them)
(open,posi,LS,..and so on)
As I said the rear axle is a 10,25 LS. Does any of the "lunch-box" lockers fit in??
Really don`t want to mess with the ring and pinion.
Since I have to have it sent to Norway, I have to br 100% sure I have got the right parts. Maybe I should have had one for my Dana50 front too?
I would really appreciate if anyone would help me find the right partnumbers at summitracing.com
(Have been shopping at Summit earlier and is very happy with them)
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Do you haul weight in the truck?
I had a Lock Rite in mine.
With how steep the hills are and the amount of weight I haul, a locker was not a good choice.
Pulling a steep hill with a load, the rear wheels locked together.
The front tires did nothing to alter the direction the truck was traveling in.
My only option to turn a corner was stop and coast back aiming the front the way I wanted to go.
As soon as I started forward, back to straight line driving.
After about a year, the Lock Rite exploded, took out the ring gear, pinion and all the bearings in the axle.
700 dollars later, the axle was sanatized with a Spicer Trac Lock limited slip unit and new parts.
It is so nice to be able to steer when going uphill now.
I had a Lock Rite in mine.
With how steep the hills are and the amount of weight I haul, a locker was not a good choice.
Pulling a steep hill with a load, the rear wheels locked together.
The front tires did nothing to alter the direction the truck was traveling in.
My only option to turn a corner was stop and coast back aiming the front the way I wanted to go.
As soon as I started forward, back to straight line driving.
After about a year, the Lock Rite exploded, took out the ring gear, pinion and all the bearings in the axle.
700 dollars later, the axle was sanatized with a Spicer Trac Lock limited slip unit and new parts.
It is so nice to be able to steer when going uphill now.
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I've been an avid 4 wheeler for over 30 years and have learned a few tricks. With a limited slip differential you can make it act like a locker (power to both tires) by lightly putting a little pressure on the brake petal while you have your other on the gas(diesel) petal. This works extremely well.
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No, I don`t do any hauling. And it is not often I put much load on it either. I am having my truck most for a hobby. And I use it for some offroading and a lot
to go fishing and hunting in the mountains. Especially in the hunting seeson it may be several inches with snow on these roads. So I need some real good traction. The problem is to find out which locker that would fit in my rear differential. I want to take out the LS-clutches and throw it away, then put in some of the easy installation lockers. But I just can`t figure out which one will fit....
to go fishing and hunting in the mountains. Especially in the hunting seeson it may be several inches with snow on these roads. So I need some real good traction. The problem is to find out which locker that would fit in my rear differential. I want to take out the LS-clutches and throw it away, then put in some of the easy installation lockers. But I just can`t figure out which one will fit....
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The other thing is to put chains on the truck, and if your empty, I'd put them on the front. Messy, but effective.
We had more snow this year than any other that I can remember, and my sistes's 4x4 ranger was the only one that could make it out of the drive way. With chains on the front (both diffs open) the truck was unstoppable, we bottomed out several times, but it never got stuck.
We had more snow this year than any other that I can remember, and my sistes's 4x4 ranger was the only one that could make it out of the drive way. With chains on the front (both diffs open) the truck was unstoppable, we bottomed out several times, but it never got stuck.
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I am going to buy some chains. Actually it is demanded by the law here in Norway to always have chains for at least 3 wheels with you (for cars over 3,5 tons, and of course only during winter-season)
But I still think it would have been great to have lockers, at least at the rear.
But I still need help to find the right one......
But I still think it would have been great to have lockers, at least at the rear.
But I still need help to find the right one......
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The province of quebec here in canada will pass a law requiring winter driving tires for winter months. No more "all seasons", I guess. Good for safety, but I'm sure the tire shops are about to make a killing.........the province has also recently increased the sales tax by 1% since the feds dropped their rates, could go up annother 1% soon, theres always annother motive......
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Here we can use "all seasons tires". When it comes to bigger tires it is not much to choose between, at least not for a reasonable price. But as long as they are marked with; M+S (mud and snow), they are ok. I am driving some M+S tires now, and I have to say I have never been running anything as slippery as this!
My Volvo V70 is way better to stop on ice and snow with summer-tires!!
My Volvo V70 is way better to stop on ice and snow with summer-tires!!
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The story that tire shops are saying is that the winter tires are a softer rubber that will not harden like an all season or all terrain, there might be something to that, not really sure. Asside from chains, the best tires I ever had for snow were rated for snow/mud, and have a very aggressive tread, but the treads are at a 45 angle, so the treads are self cleaning and will not clog. I put them on my f150 yesterday since we got annother dump of snow, and they are really nice. Loud as hell on the highway, but they will cut through snow like its not there. Makes my 2wd feel like a 4wd.
I got them used a few years ago so there no telling how old they are, but I have yet to see anything as good offered at the tire shops. I only use them a few weeks out of the year normally.
I got them used a few years ago so there no telling how old they are, but I have yet to see anything as good offered at the tire shops. I only use them a few weeks out of the year normally.
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Here is a road freindly locker.
http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/Produc...cker/index.htm
I believe the ultimate is the Detroit locker though.
Here is Spicers page to show what they offer.
http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/Produc...ials/index.htm
http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/Produc...cker/index.htm
I believe the ultimate is the Detroit locker though.
Here is Spicers page to show what they offer.
http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/Produc...ials/index.htm
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That's not some made up story, a true winter tire is far far superior to any all season. Winters are made from softer compounds, have far more siping, and plain old work. Don't dare run them on bare pavement though, they'll burn up very quickly.
I currently am running a set of studded General Grabber AT2's as winters, and they are absolutley awesome in fresh snow, but, leave a bit to be desired on icy stuff. I may go to a set of Michelins for my next set of winters.
I do know one thing, I sure miss my welded rear for traction.
As for the OP's question about a locker, none of the drop in ones fit the limited slip carrier, so, you need to change the carrier and check the gear setup even if you are going to go with a drop in locker.
I currently am running a set of studded General Grabber AT2's as winters, and they are absolutley awesome in fresh snow, but, leave a bit to be desired on icy stuff. I may go to a set of Michelins for my next set of winters.
I do know one thing, I sure miss my welded rear for traction.
As for the OP's question about a locker, none of the drop in ones fit the limited slip carrier, so, you need to change the carrier and check the gear setup even if you are going to go with a drop in locker.