Amsoil experience
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From: lake park, MN
Originally Posted by mikeraymond
Sorry, not 30k.
Correct millage is 36k! and this is considered low millage for properly filtered fully synthetic oil!
I have 90k on the clock now.
ok, im not trying to ruffle any feathers here, I just like to debate things a little bit, and mabey learn something new in the process. Have you done a lab test on this 36k?
Denman81 says: “if oil changed now, it will flow like water.”
– also… “I’m looking at gunking up the sensors”
Which is it? Flow like water, or gunk it up?
You must be thinking of dino oil. I’m using fully synthetic. It doesn’t break down like standard oil.
Well synthetic dose break down, I have used it in my truck and after 6k it still is alot thinner than what it looks like new. Also you will get gunk in your oil from soot, and after a while it will still build up unless you have a better filtration system like the one you mention down below.
Now if you insist on using your father’s oil, CHANGE IT OFTEN!
The heat & pressure of this motor & turbine will tear it up!
According to Blackstone Laboratories www.Blackstone-labs.com
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/by-pass_oil_filtration.html
There are auxiliary systems you can add to your engine's lubricating system that will keep the oil clean enough to use over an extended period of time. By-pass filtration units are the most common system used for this purpose.
I agree a by pass system can work wonders, but what happens to the motors that get some miles on them or are actually worked hard and the rings start to wear creating blow-by? you get small amounts of diesel in your oil that your filters will NOT catch.
Not only do the by-pass filtration units cleanse the sump oil of blow-by and oxidation products, they also reduce wear metals and silicon accumulations, both of which are abrasive. Oil does not wear out. Its usefulness is limited by contamination. By-pass filtration removes most of the contaminates.
How long can an oil fill be run using by-pass filtration? We've heard claims of large (Class 8) diesels going 1,000,000 miles on the same fill of oil with no harm done to the engines. We have analyzed oils which have been in service 240,000 miles and found nothing unusual in the analysis, other than higher than average iron and lead (from steel parts and bearings), and these wear accumulations were not intolerably high.
Correct millage is 36k! and this is considered low millage for properly filtered fully synthetic oil!
I have 90k on the clock now.
ok, im not trying to ruffle any feathers here, I just like to debate things a little bit, and mabey learn something new in the process. Have you done a lab test on this 36k?
Denman81 says: “if oil changed now, it will flow like water.”
– also… “I’m looking at gunking up the sensors”
Which is it? Flow like water, or gunk it up?
You must be thinking of dino oil. I’m using fully synthetic. It doesn’t break down like standard oil.
Well synthetic dose break down, I have used it in my truck and after 6k it still is alot thinner than what it looks like new. Also you will get gunk in your oil from soot, and after a while it will still build up unless you have a better filtration system like the one you mention down below.
Now if you insist on using your father’s oil, CHANGE IT OFTEN!
The heat & pressure of this motor & turbine will tear it up!
According to Blackstone Laboratories www.Blackstone-labs.com
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/by-pass_oil_filtration.html
There are auxiliary systems you can add to your engine's lubricating system that will keep the oil clean enough to use over an extended period of time. By-pass filtration units are the most common system used for this purpose.
I agree a by pass system can work wonders, but what happens to the motors that get some miles on them or are actually worked hard and the rings start to wear creating blow-by? you get small amounts of diesel in your oil that your filters will NOT catch.
Not only do the by-pass filtration units cleanse the sump oil of blow-by and oxidation products, they also reduce wear metals and silicon accumulations, both of which are abrasive. Oil does not wear out. Its usefulness is limited by contamination. By-pass filtration removes most of the contaminates.
How long can an oil fill be run using by-pass filtration? We've heard claims of large (Class 8) diesels going 1,000,000 miles on the same fill of oil with no harm done to the engines. We have analyzed oils which have been in service 240,000 miles and found nothing unusual in the analysis, other than higher than average iron and lead (from steel parts and bearings), and these wear accumulations were not intolerably high.
now you say you have a class 8 of your own that you go and put 240k on the same oil? If so thats great! If other people are willing to use their own money to try out a theory and let other people learn from them thats awsome!
But please don't read me something from amsoils advertising.
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From: wilson
i'll find my last oil analysis report and post the results this weekend. why do some find it hard to believe that you can go 20,000-30,000 miles on synthetic oil? (real synthetic) especially if you are using a bypass filter set up. geez- my cummins manual says i can go 15,000 miles on regular dino oil!!! i am only going another 5,000 miles on synthetic with a bypass system. i think after the next oil change- i'll just keep going with the same oil past the 20,000 mile mark-doing an oil analysis of course, to see what i can get out if it.! my truck has almost 75,000 miles on it- i did not switch to amsoil synthetic until the 20,000 miles mark, because that is what cummins recommends. since then, i have only done two oil changes!!!! the third oil change is due this coming summer when i hit 80,000 miles!!
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Don't ever think you can compare the oil systems of the cummins and that of the 6.0L. They are different and the 6.0L is much harder on the oil. You may win a battle and lose the war. The objective isn't miles on the oil, it is miles on the truck (trouble free ones that is). There are many, many posts on why not to push the miles on the 6.0L - even w/ Amsoil, Red Line, Royal Purple, etc. Red Line has been shown to hold up the best (Group V) on BITOG, and no one recommends extreme OCI's with it.
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From: wilson
did not realize the 6.0 was that much harder on oil. but i would imagine using amsoil or redline-(both are a group V oil) with a bypass set up, along with oil analysis- one should get a longer oil change interval,
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From: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted by dodgeny
did not realize the 6.0 was that much harder on oil. but i would imagine using amsoil or redline-(both are a group V oil) with a bypass set up, along with oil analysis- one should get a longer oil change interval,
Mark
Last edited by 4x4Mark; Feb 8, 2008 at 08:27 PM.
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From: Birchwood, Wisconsin
I know that if you use Amsoil and your dealer voids your warranty because of the use of their product Amsoil's warranty will cover the cost of repairs and take legal action upon the dealership to recover their expense. Not sure if this helps much but also if you do plan on using amsoil lube's buy their 6 month preferred customer card for 10 bucks and get your oil and fluids at cost, it saves quite a bit of money.
I am not a dealer, I am a preferred customer and just trying to help you save money
I am not a dealer, I am a preferred customer and just trying to help you save money
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From: Mount Juliet, TN
SJrank, the use of AMsoil no longer is an arguable point to void the warranty. Amsoil received their API rating and thus the dealer cannot cite that as an excuse. :-)
As far as redline goes, I've used it. I never will again. AMsoils IV perfroms much ebtter IMHO than Redline, and the customer service from AMSOIL is outstanding. they truly take on ensuring you as a customer are taken care of. Again, I am not a dealer..I am an avid user with 10 years using AMsoil.
As far as redline goes, I've used it. I never will again. AMsoils IV perfroms much ebtter IMHO than Redline, and the customer service from AMSOIL is outstanding. they truly take on ensuring you as a customer are taken care of. Again, I am not a dealer..I am an avid user with 10 years using AMsoil.
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From: wilson
redline is considerably more expensive. i get three gallons of amsoil delvered to my house for 63.00 bucks. redline is around 96.00 bucks for three gallons!- i can't justify the price difference, myself.
