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ok, ive asked this before but i want more detail this time.
ive found a 460 that runs perfect for $500-$800 30 mins from where i live. my truck is an '87 with a 302 4x4 short bed standard cab, c6 auto, carburated. what all would i have to do to make that 460 fit into my truck. i want to know everything that would have to be done.
ive found a 460 that runs perfect for $500-$800 30 mins from where i live. my truck is an '87 with a 302 4x4 short bed standard cab, c6 auto, carburated. what all would i have to do to make that 460 fit into my truck. i want to know everything that would have to be done.
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Gee I wish someone would hurry up and write a Tech Article on this subject.
Depending on HOW Complete the 460 is,
You will need:
A C6 bellhousing for a 429/460.
429/460 Exhaust manifolds for a truck.
A rear sump oil pan.
Torque convertor for a 429/460
429/460 Engine to frame mounts.
Possibly a shorter driveshaft or short tranny tail-shaft.
3-4 row Radiator
Fan shroud
429/460 truck engine bracketry.
That's all I can think of right now.
Dennis https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/sizeimage.php?&photoid=1733&.jpg
Please Don't Ask Me Any Tough Questions,
"I'm Saving My Memory For When I Develop Alzheimer's"
78 F-150 429CJ,Silver, Explorer Pkg.
641/2-Mustang 260,Pre-World's Fair Car.
64-Fairlane500 S/C waiting for a 390-4spd.
68-Mustang 289-Sunlit Gold 80,892Mi
78-Buick LeSabre 403 4V
84 Volvo DL Wagon
Depending on HOW Complete the 460 is,
You will need:
A C6 bellhousing for a 429/460.
429/460 Exhaust manifolds for a truck.
A rear sump oil pan.
Torque convertor for a 429/460
429/460 Engine to frame mounts.
Possibly a shorter driveshaft or short tranny tail-shaft.
3-4 row Radiator
Fan shroud
429/460 truck engine bracketry.
That's all I can think of right now.
Dennis https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/sizeimage.php?&photoid=1733&.jpg
Please Don't Ask Me Any Tough Questions,
"I'm Saving My Memory For When I Develop Alzheimer's"
78 F-150 429CJ,Silver, Explorer Pkg.
641/2-Mustang 260,Pre-World's Fair Car.
64-Fairlane500 S/C waiting for a 390-4spd.
68-Mustang 289-Sunlit Gold 80,892Mi
78-Buick LeSabre 403 4V
84 Volvo DL Wagon
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>Gee I wish someone would hurry up and write a Tech Article
>on this subject.
haha, i take it a lot of people want to do the swap. the guy has a tranny that goes with it but its a manual and i like my auto for the tricky stuff off raod (i can drive a stick but i dont trust myself that much). anybody else have anything to say on the subject????
>on this subject.
haha, i take it a lot of people want to do the swap. the guy has a tranny that goes with it but its a manual and i like my auto for the tricky stuff off raod (i can drive a stick but i dont trust myself that much). anybody else have anything to say on the subject????
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>Gee I wish someone would hurry up and write a Tech Article
>on this subject.
>
>Depending on HOW Complete the 460 is,
>You will need:
>A C6 bellhousing for a 429/460.
>429/460 Exhaust manifolds for a truck.
>A rear sump oil pan.
>Torque convertor for a 429/460
>429/460 Engine to frame mounts.
>Possibly a shorter driveshaft or short tranny tail-shaft.
>3-4 row Radiator
>Fan shroud
>429/460 truck engine bracketry.
>
>That's all I can think of right now.
>
>
>Dennis
>https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/sizeimage.php?&photoid=1733&.jpg
>
>
>
>Please Don't Ask Me Any Tough Questions,
>"I'm Saving My Memory For When I Develop Alzheimer's"
>
>
>78 F-150 429CJ,Silver, Explorer Pkg.
>641/2-Mustang 260,Pre-World's Fair Car.
>64-Fairlane500 S/C waiting for a 390-4spd.
>68-Mustang 289-Sunlit Gold 80,892Mi
>78-Buick LeSabre 403 4V
>84 Volvo DL Wagon
Unfortunately, the C6 bellhousing is part of the automatic transmission case. You would need a 385 series case for the C6 and use your tranny guts or a complete C6 for the 385 series engines.
And don't forget a flywheel/flex plate to fit the 460. They made two, one for internal balance the other for external balance.
>on this subject.
>
>Depending on HOW Complete the 460 is,
>You will need:
>A C6 bellhousing for a 429/460.
>429/460 Exhaust manifolds for a truck.
>A rear sump oil pan.
>Torque convertor for a 429/460
>429/460 Engine to frame mounts.
>Possibly a shorter driveshaft or short tranny tail-shaft.
>3-4 row Radiator
>Fan shroud
>429/460 truck engine bracketry.
>
>That's all I can think of right now.
>
>
>Dennis
>https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/sizeimage.php?&photoid=1733&.jpg
>
>
>
>Please Don't Ask Me Any Tough Questions,
>"I'm Saving My Memory For When I Develop Alzheimer's"
>
>
>78 F-150 429CJ,Silver, Explorer Pkg.
>641/2-Mustang 260,Pre-World's Fair Car.
>64-Fairlane500 S/C waiting for a 390-4spd.
>68-Mustang 289-Sunlit Gold 80,892Mi
>78-Buick LeSabre 403 4V
>84 Volvo DL Wagon
Unfortunately, the C6 bellhousing is part of the automatic transmission case. You would need a 385 series case for the C6 and use your tranny guts or a complete C6 for the 385 series engines.
And don't forget a flywheel/flex plate to fit the 460. They made two, one for internal balance the other for external balance.
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After you put the engine in, any good pro suspension shop will be able to set you up with the correct springs for the extra weight.
In the past, I've found local muffler and suspension shops are sometimes very reasonably priced compared to ordering special parts from the specialty places. A good shop might be able to score you some off the shelf springs that are perfect.
Or, you could attach a bunch of helium balloons to the front bumper.
:P
In the past, I've found local muffler and suspension shops are sometimes very reasonably priced compared to ordering special parts from the specialty places. A good shop might be able to score you some off the shelf springs that are perfect.
Or, you could attach a bunch of helium balloons to the front bumper.
:P
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hmmmmm.............. think ill go with the balloon idea. haha
thanks for the input.
thanks for the input.
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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 08-Mar-02 AT 12:30 PM (EST)]>You will need:
>A C6 bellhousing for a 429/460.
>429/460 Exhaust manifolds for a truck.
>A rear sump oil pan.
Dennis,
Are the exhaust manifolds and rear sump pan required for the '80 and up only, or the older ones too?
K.
>A C6 bellhousing for a 429/460.
>429/460 Exhaust manifolds for a truck.
>A rear sump oil pan.
Dennis,
Are the exhaust manifolds and rear sump pan required for the '80 and up only, or the older ones too?
K.
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Older ones too.
For 2x4's you can get away without the rear sump pan & Oil pick-up BUT,You will have to install a drain plug at the rear of the deepest part of the pan instead.
Dennis https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/sizeimage.php?&photoid=1733&.jpg
[b]Please Don't Ask Me Any Tough Questions[b]
[b]"I'm Saving My Memory For When I Develop Alzheimer's"[b]
78 F-150 429CJ,Silver, Explorer Pkg.
641/2-Mustang 260,Pre-World's Fair Car.
64-Fairlane500 S/C waiting for a 390-4spd.
68-Mustang 289-Sunlit Gold 80,892Mi
78-Buick LeSabre 403 4V
84 Volvo DL Wagon
For 2x4's you can get away without the rear sump pan & Oil pick-up BUT,You will have to install a drain plug at the rear of the deepest part of the pan instead.
Dennis https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/sizeimage.php?&photoid=1733&.jpg
[b]Please Don't Ask Me Any Tough Questions[b]
[b]"I'm Saving My Memory For When I Develop Alzheimer's"[b]
78 F-150 429CJ,Silver, Explorer Pkg.
641/2-Mustang 260,Pre-World's Fair Car.
64-Fairlane500 S/C waiting for a 390-4spd.
68-Mustang 289-Sunlit Gold 80,892Mi
78-Buick LeSabre 403 4V
84 Volvo DL Wagon
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My 78 F150 460 4x4 had a front sump oil pan with a side drain plug. I replaced it with a pan off a spare 460 with a front sump and rear drain plug. I think it fit because of the 6" lift (3" factory and 3" after market). However, I haven't taken it seriously off-road yet so I don't know if it'll get banged up.
If you go to a rear sump, do you have to change the oil pump too or just the pickup?
I have pictures of the oil pan on the old engine and on the truck at:
http://www.brayarch.com/~kevin/truck/78f150.html
K.
If you go to a rear sump, do you have to change the oil pump too or just the pickup?
I have pictures of the oil pan on the old engine and on the truck at:
http://www.brayarch.com/~kevin/truck/78f150.html
K.
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