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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by WE3ZS
This place and it's incredible membership is like a big family, and like any good family we don't hesitate to bust each others chops when the opportunity presents itself or to call BS on someone who starts to shovel it a little too deep.


^^^^^^ Good stuff, Tom. ^^^^^^^


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C'mon, folks. Let's be honest. You young people LIKE the word "classic". Look around. You are not alone. All used cars that someone is trying to sell are called "classic". You ever seen a old - let's say, for example, a 1957 Chevrolet for sale ? Anywhere ? There hasnt been any such thing for many years. You will only see "CLASSIC" 1957 Chevrolet for sale.

I recently got off the freeway, to get a snack. I had some Classic Coke with my Classic Chicken. My Caprice Classic was parked next to a Rambler Classic, in front of Classic Plumbing.

"Precision of speech" only matters in technically advanced countries that are going somewhere. Our country has had a national policy for many years now, of down-grading our education, and off-shoring technical manufacturing. Younger people have been "trained" over the years, to "submit to their feelings" and develop a distaste for precision, in thought and in speech.

The Classic Car Club Of America was formed in the early 1950's, in part as a protest against how mediocre American cars had become after World War Two - by the mid 1950's, our "build quality" really went into the toilet. We came up with the idea of the word "classic", for our car club, becuase dictionaries in THOSE days had the REAL meaning of the word "classic"

"something unique, representing the highest standard of excellence".

The word "classic" for the cars we wanted to save, was appropriate, because it was also a technical term, but again, this was only if you were educated, and knew it was from the greek "classicus", a "school of design theory" whereby "form follows function".

Using the REAL definition of what constitutes a "classic car", we only accepted the largest, most powerful, most elegant "super cars" from the 1920's thru the late 1930's. Obviously, using the REAL meaning of the word "classic", an ordinary car of the 1930's, (or for that matter, any other year, could not possibly be a "classic" and thus had little interest to us.

By the earl 1940's, we had the advent of "stream-lining", in which fenders, hoods, headlight shells had all disappeared in terms of their function, into stream-lined shapes.

To understand the difference in stream-lining, look at a 1932 Cadillac V-16, and compare it with a 1942 Cadillac. The much smaller, less elegant, less powerful 1942 Cadillac did not have the distinctive angular lines, in which each shape defined its function, that the 1932 "super luxury" car had.

So - let's be honest - most of you have at least seen or perhaps even ridden in the super luxury cars of the 1920's and 1930's, and know what they look like, and also have seen, say...a 1950's era Chevrolet. You DONT CARE about "precision of speech"...you KNOW what you feel good about saying.

So let's all try a little honesty and admit that these days, since accuracy is now irrelevant, EVERYTHING is a "classic".


By your own words your vehicle is not mint.


 
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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by WE3ZS
You haven't been around here for a long time and aren't getting the joke here.
Boris the used car salesman... ...or to call BS on someone who starts to shovel it a little too deep.

Incredibly well stated!!!
 
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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 11:37 AM
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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 04:29 PM
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[QUOTE=whjco;6087666]6686L

in my profound ignorance I referred to it as a Merlin ONLY because this is what the owner, by the way a CCCA member, referred to it as........


NO SIN TO BE IGNORANT. I AM IGNORANT. I, FOR EXAMPLE, DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT STRANGE RACE OF PEOPLE KNOWN AS 'WIMMENS'.... THAT IS WHY I TRY AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND LISTEN WEHN SOMEONE KNOWS MORE ABOUT A SUBJECT THAN I DO. I CAN HANDLE ABSORBING INFO. THAT CLASHES WITH MY PREJUDICES. THAT IS HOW WE LEARN...
 
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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 04:35 PM
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[QUOTE.....By your own words your vehicle is not minT[/QUOTE]


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BULL FEATHERS ! WIFE AND I SIT ON SEAT-COVERS SO AS TO PROTEC THE NEW-LOOKING LEATHER. WE DONT LET ROAD-DIRT GET A CHANCE TO DULL THE FACTORY-FRESH ORIG. PAINT. WHEN YOU CRAWL UNDER IT OR OPEN THE HOOD, YOU SEE A MOTOR SO CLEAN YOU COULD EAT OFF IT (they are almost finished installing it - hope they re-charge the air conditioning system correctly - go ahead- beat me up again for destroying a perfect motor....! )


YES - YOU ARE ALL A GREAT BUNCH OF GUYS ( even if two of you referred to me as "Boris the Used Car Dealer whose EX was a "barn find"....)


If I cant get at least half-way between KELLY / NDA "wholesale" and "retail" for it - I will keep it - I LOVE it...fantastic vehicle. So you guys better be nice to me - I may be here a long time ! After all, if some of you guys are right..at least to the year 2020, when, if you are correct...it will be worth a fortune and people will be lined up outside our door to pile big bucks on me for it !
 
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Old Aug 22, 2015 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by WE3ZS
===================================== and like any good family we don't hesitate to bust each others chops when the opportunity presents itself or to call BS on someone who starts to shovel it a little too deep.
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Ha - great story about the "Boris" types - at some point in our lives, guess we all sooner or later run across someone like that....!


Sure I can take a joke - talk about taking a joke with a sense of humor...wait till some sucker comes out here to Northern Arizona and actually sees this rusted out disaster of mine. Hope he isn't TOO picky...I mean...only TWO of the ten connecting rods are sticking out the side of the block......


I have a side-business of raising goats and chickens. An EX makes a great place for them to sleep at night. O.K...be picky..so some of the goats "have the runs"....big deal. Most of it seeps down between the gaps in what was once the upholstery. Why make a fuss about "small stuff"...( at my age...it is ALL "small stuff"....!)


yeah - I have personally met some fine people in technical chats on the "net". Pays to be a little suspicious tho....! So of course count me in on helping fellow (LEGIT) folks who get caught with a bad stroke of mechanical luck.
 
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