This is a classic... and it's lost forever. Plus the driver was killed.

For 1/3 of the price he could have had a new Excursion and most likely survived the crash.

See link for story and video --> http://www.nbc29.com/global/story.asp?s=7575332

 

Hey Beth!
Got enough wine for the rest of us?
Yep some of these threads are a "Classical Gas"!
.way too much GAS!!!!!!!!

 

Yes, we are all entitled to our opinion... ...

I would say you are better off putting me on ignore..... I'm here for fun and learning about my truck not a pi$$ing contest......

after all, I'm just a dumb girl

LOL
Beth

 

I think it is wonderful that some girls, like you, have the GUTS to go against cultural norms, and show an interest in technology. I bet you are a bright, exciting person. Wish there were more like you !

However, fact remains, no-one should think they are above criticism. That is how we learn. So dont be "thin skinned".

 

Oh how sad!......

 

Yep, it's just that kind of week!
Beth

 

Oh I have some very thick skin! Years of showing cars and working in a race shop- this is mild.....It's all good!!

Beth

 

As I'm sure you're already aware, one of the real challenges of the antique car hobby is to involve young folks and get them interested. The old car hobby is getting considerably "grayer" and we need to welcome these young folks and encourage them. Regrettably, I don't see how such a response would ever entice them to get involved or to view the antique car hobby in a positive light. Rather, if I was subjected to that stream of "enlightenment", I'd run away as fast as I could!

Yes, we could all stand to elevate our level of knowledge and understanding, but we mules, young or old, will always learn better using a carrot rather than a stick.

The antique car hobby is made up of many areas of interest and many wonderful folks. I'd encourage any of the young people on this board to find your passion and get involved in the old car hobby! There's a lot of fun adventures and great new friends to be experienced! . . . .

. . . . . and you can tow your neat old car behind your not-quite-so-classic Excursion!

BJ Lexington, KY

 

[QUOTE. The old car hobby is getting considerably "grayer" ... Regrettably, I don't see how such a response would ever entice them to get involved or to view the antique car hobby in a positive light. Rather, if I was subjected to that stream of "enlightenment", I'd run away as fast as I could!

[/QUOTE] Excellent point - you are right the relatively few people who saw the merit in preserving antique cars ( "antique" meaning cars built before the 1920's) ..oh...oh..sorry..I realize that you young people also LIKE the word "antique" , and like your use of the word "classic", enjoy slapping that word, too on just about everything, caring NOTHING for the meaning of these words.. .) yes - you are right - these people are getting grayer and disappearing.

But the fact is, the average used car buff NEVER liked the antique cars; made fun of them, and tried to see to it they were destroyed whenever possible.

Same thing happened to the "classic" cars (again, the largest, most elegant, biggest and most luxurious "super cars" of the 1920's and 1930's.

Then as now, I dont think you are going to see very many people wanting REAL antique or classic cars. When I paid twenty five bucks for my own Packard V-12 in 1954, ( it needed a battery ) my friends made fun of me - because after all, for another twenty five bucks I could have had a nice ordinary used car like a Chevrolet or Ford. I never used it for "dates" ; what girl would want to ride in an old Packard V-12, Cadillac V-16, when some guy could borrow his parent's late model ordinary car.

Then, as now, people would take an "ordinary man's" type car ( Ford, Plymouth, etc., an "gut" its very ordinary drive-line and "hot rod" it. That hasn't changed. Frankly, if I got stuck with a 1930's Ford or other such ordinary used car, I would "toss" the crummy engines, transmissions, and drive-lines they came with, and hot rod them too.

So, to get back to the original question of this "thread", I see nothing unusual about people screeching the word "classic" at our Excursions. They like the word. They like their Excursions. And they sure as hell do NOT want to be asked to think for themselves about the use of language.

 

[QUOTE=6686L]..oh...oh..sorry..I realize that you young people also LIKE the word "antique" , and like your use of the word "classic", enjoy slapping that word, too on just about everything, caring NOTHING for the meaning of these words.. .) yes - you are right - these people are getting grayer and disappearing.
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"You young people"? Thanks for the complement! I've been involved in the antique car hobby for over three decades including Chairing three Glidden Tours and two years as National President of another antique car club. No, I'm not contemplating dropping a 350 small block into my '09 brass era Maxwell. Rather, it's a whole lot more fun hearing those two big 'ol cylinders banging away and reminiscing about how it must have felt like wings to its original owner back in the horse and buggy days. It's even more fun to take young folks for a ride in one of our antique or vintage automobiles and share the sights and sounds of the old iron and the fascinating history that bundled into each one of them.

The point of my previous post was to send the message to the young folks on the board that there are many of us who would welcome their involvement in the antique and vintage car hobby. We'd love to have them join us and let us teach them the automotive history while having a bunch of fun at the same time! If we slam the door in their face because, out of normal and understandable youthful ignorance, they happen to misuse a term, how will we ever hope to get them involved and interested in learning?

Back in the early 70's during our college days, my then-fiance wanted a Packard. We visited with a fellow who was tending to a '37 Rolls PIII with a Merlin V12 who would become a treasured, lifelong friend. His warm attitude made us get interested in the antique car hobby and now her Packard is out back in the garage and gets down the road quite fine with its original straight-8 engine in it. Oh, and my sweetheart is my number one treasure after over 32 years of marriage. Don't short sell the young folks. They're capable of quite a bit of appreciation of the old stuff if we just give them half a chance.

Are our Excursions a classic? Nope, certainly not by the standards of the CCCA. However, there are many folks who love and appreciate this truly unique vehicle that has now moved into its place in automotive history.

BJ Lexington, KY

 

two "big ole "cylinders in a Maxwell..."felt like wings" to its owner ? Must be two different "Maxwell" automobile companies. The one I remember, produced dinky little cheapo economy cars, that would be hard-put to hit 40 mph. I really shouldn't say, because I never was interested in dinky little cheapo economy cars of ANY era. Certainly understandable why people would turn their nose up at them.

Although not an antique car fan (again...ANTIQUE cars are cars built with ANTIQUE ceatures..meaning..prior to the 1920's...meaning...EXTERNAL contracting brakes, high pressure tires, wood spoke wheels, etc).....I do recall some antique cars that DID have BIG cylinders..and LOTS of them.

BIG powerful fast cars, like the Locomobile, Pierce Arrow "66" series, Packard Twin Six, stuff like that.

But again, I agree...just about impossible to get young people of today to give a damn about them. And that, as I noted in my post above, is not exactly a new phenomena. I know how hard I tried to convince my own generation of the value in preserving the "classics", but was at best laughed at, more often than not, called just plain NUTS ! My own parents thought perhaps I should get psych. care...because...(they could have afforded to buy me just about anything) I'd rather have my Packard V-12 and Cadillac V-16 ( the 1938 Cadillac V-16 I had then cost me a LOT of money in 1955...had to give SEVENTY five bucks for it..but..what the hell..it was still in practically new condition ...!)

Bottom line - yes..I think our Excursions most certainly will be considered "collector cars" in that they are an interesting point in auto history. But, in response to the guy who asked if they would ever be "classics"...I say...hell..if you like the word "classic"...call it that.

You can call my Ford Excursion a "classic" all day long. Even YELL the word "classic" at it. But..as I noted before...my own "hunch" is...no matter how loud you yell the word "classic" at it..I would be VERY surprised if it would grow a separate hood..curved fenders, and separate headlights, like the big luxurious 1930's cars that ARE "classics".

Hey..give it a try..might work..?

 

Oh, we've got one of those early 30's beasts that's one of the type you've mentioned out in the garage too and, at the organizers' request, was the featured automobile at the Cincinnati Concourse 10 years ago. It can easily run all day at interstate speeds on its original unrestored engine. Of course, we're not going to punish it like that because, after all, we're preservationists too.

Silly and rather juvenile comparison between two totally different eras of automotive history. If we wish to apply that kind of illogical comparison, then we can also bring light to the fact that any 5.4 Excursion will blow the doors off of (conservatively) 98% of the "classics" ever made and I've driven or toured with the best of the best (it's a blast driving a Duesenberg to Pep Boys!) Also, I can put my 2 1/2 ton classic in our enclosed trailer and haul it with my Excursion getting at least 3 mpg better mileage than the car will on it's own four tires.

'Nuff said. Happy New Year!

BJ Lexington, KY

 

Then ull be driving two classics!

 

This guy coulda spent 1/20th on an excursion and I can practically gaurentee he would have lived.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4794575/detail.html

 

Oh and as far back as ill go as far as "classics" is the muscle car era. Mid 60s would be the oldest that really interests me.