Notices
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 1987 - 1996 Ford F-150, F-250, F-350 and larger pickups - including the 1997 heavy-duty F250/F350+ trucks

351 Rating ?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 13, 2007 | 08:05 AM
  #1  
dixokai's Avatar
dixokai
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 320
Likes: 0
From: Southeast Idaho
351 Rating ?

I've been stumbling around here reading various threads and every so often I read about HO 302s and 351s and cam differences. In my manual,(F series pick ups Chilton) all the 351s that are fuel injected and in a truck have the same torque and hp rating. What gives with the HO? I know the chiltons leaves a lot to be desired. Is it something the manual left out?


I read somewhere here that the cams in non HO are "lame". Is that so? Do I have a lame engine if it's non HO? It seems to run pretty strong for being in an F250. I haven't hooked on to my trailer with it yet but it sure feels better than the other truck I pulled it with. (Chevy 5.7 TBI) That could be the difference in gearing though.
 
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2007 | 08:44 AM
  #2  
frankyford's Avatar
frankyford
Elder User
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 565
Likes: 0
If I remember correctly the Non HO 351 in 1990 put out 230hp and the 302 put out 210. The Lightning in 94-95 had the HO351 with 240hp. But , no you don't have a junk cam, what you have is a FORD baby and ain't nothing about'em junk.
 
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2007 | 08:46 AM
  #3  
Conanski's Avatar
Conanski
FTE Legend
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Community Builder
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 31,930
Likes: 1,499
From: Ottawa, Ontario
If yout manual has accurate info... and that's not always the case, you'll see that the '94+ 5.8 trucks do produce more HP and TQ than the previous version, that's when the motor got the F4TE roller cam. You do have one of the "lame" motors, but the gearing in the truck has a hugh impact on towing ability and the overall feel of power the vehicle produces. You'll find an axle code on the driver's door or door pillar, that will decode to your gear ratio. BTW, The 351HO was only available with a carb before 1986.
 
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2007 | 10:56 AM
  #4  
cjg1999's Avatar
cjg1999
Senior User
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 163
Likes: 3
Originally Posted by Conanski
BTW, The 351HO was only available with a carb before 1986.
Actually, the carbed 351HO was through 1987, I used to have an 87 F250 with the 351 carb. 1988 started EFI across the board.
 
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2007 | 04:00 PM
  #5  
dixokai's Avatar
dixokai
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 320
Likes: 0
From: Southeast Idaho
Originally Posted by Conanski
If yout manual has accurate info... and that's not always the case, you'll see that the '94+ 5.8 trucks do produce more HP and TQ than the previous version, that's when the motor got the F4TE roller cam. You do have one of the "lame" motors, but the gearing in the truck has a hugh impact on towing ability and the overall feel of power the vehicle produces. You'll find an axle code on the driver's door or door pillar, that will decode to your gear ratio. BTW, The 351HO was only available with a carb before 1986.
I understand the gearing concept and I do have 4.10s in this truck. I got the truck in hopes it will do a better job towing than the Chebby (3.73 gears, 5.7 motor, and 4L60E tranny). Very disapointing truck. I don't expect massive differences from this truck just hoping it won't have to work so hard to get it done and if I can make it a little better I will. I don't want to spend the big $$ for the diesel, not to mention diesel prices here are $.50 higher than gas and I use this truck for my daily driver.
 
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2007 | 06:48 PM
  #6  
frankyford's Avatar
frankyford
Elder User
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 565
Likes: 0
Diesel prices are a little higher, but you'll get better pulling power and better fuel mileage. Also the diesel will last you longer.
 
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2007 | 11:05 PM
  #7  
dixokai's Avatar
dixokai
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 320
Likes: 0
From: Southeast Idaho
Originally Posted by frankyford
Diesel prices are a little higher, but you'll get better pulling power and better fuel mileage. Also the diesel will last you longer.
I understand diesels (look in profile), it's the $500.00 + payment I can do without. That will buy me a lot of gas. Plus most people running diesels aren't doing them any justice using them to go grocery shopping. My comute to work is only seven miles. That doesn't even give them time to warm up. If the right deal comes along I'll get one but for now I'll live with what I have.
 
Reply
Old Dec 13, 2007 | 11:17 PM
  #8  
dixokai's Avatar
dixokai
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 320
Likes: 0
From: Southeast Idaho
[QUOTE=Conanski] You do have one of the "lame" motors,[/QUOTE


Are the cams different in lift and duration or just the fact that the new ones are roller. Roller will add some hp but that in itself should be negligable.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-3

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-4

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

 Brett Foote
story-6

5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

 Joe Kucinski
story-7

Ford Super Duty: 5 Things Owners LOVE, 5 Things They LOATHE!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

Every 2026 Ford Truck Engine RANKED from WORST to FIRST!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-9

The Best F-150 Deal of Every Trim Level (XL through Raptor)

 Joe Kucinski
Old Dec 14, 2007 | 07:47 AM
  #9  
Conanski's Avatar
Conanski
FTE Legend
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Community Builder
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 31,930
Likes: 1,499
From: Ottawa, Ontario
Originally Posted by dixokai
Originally Posted by Conanski
You do have one of the "lame" motors,
Are the cams different in lift and duration or just the fact that the new ones are roller. Roller will add some hp but that in itself should be negligable.
Plane Jane 351 got a flat tappet cam with 0.416" lift and 260 duration all around. The F4TE roller cam is 0.422" lift, 256 duration intake, 0.455" lift, 266 duration exhaust. That's an improvement in breathing on the exhaust side but probably nothing worth talking about on the intake. That said the '94+ roller motor is significantly stronger than the previous version so every little bit helps. The 5.8 in my truck easily out guns my fathers '95 E250, the cam has more intake lift and more duration everywhere so you'd expect it to make more HP, but with the lonbgtube headers it also makes more low rpm TQ. The stock heads are restrictive on the 5.8 so every little bit more lift on the valve you can get up to 1/2" will help. If these motors were equipped with larger volume intakes and higher flowing heads then the formula changes and it wouldn't need as much cam, but as it stands that's not the case.
 
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2007 | 08:00 AM
  #10  
dixokai's Avatar
dixokai
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 320
Likes: 0
From: Southeast Idaho
Wow, Paul, sounds like you got these engines down to a science. I'd like to get a little more good info. with those kinds of details. Reading on this board is a pretty good resource but those kinds of things are hard to get (with the rest of the story). Can you point me in a good direction to read up on that kind of stuff?
 
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:59 AM.

story-0
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-1
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-2
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-3
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-5
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-6
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE
story-7
Ford Super Duty: 5 Things Owners LOVE, 5 Things They LOATHE!

Slideshow: Ranking the 5 things owners love about their Super Duty and 5 things they don't

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:36:49


VIEW MORE
story-8
Every 2026 Ford Truck Engine RANKED from WORST to FIRST!

Slideshow: Ranking all 12 Ford truck engines available in 2026.

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-22 13:32:20


VIEW MORE
story-9
The Best F-150 Deal of Every Trim Level (XL through Raptor)

Slideshow: The best Ford F-150 deal for every trim level (XL through Raptor)

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-21 15:59:01


VIEW MORE