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Old Dec 13, 2007 | 08:05 AM
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351 Rating ?

I've been stumbling around here reading various threads and every so often I read about HO 302s and 351s and cam differences. In my manual,(F series pick ups Chilton) all the 351s that are fuel injected and in a truck have the same torque and hp rating. What gives with the HO? I know the chiltons leaves a lot to be desired. Is it something the manual left out?


I read somewhere here that the cams in non HO are "lame". Is that so? Do I have a lame engine if it's non HO? It seems to run pretty strong for being in an F250. I haven't hooked on to my trailer with it yet but it sure feels better than the other truck I pulled it with. (Chevy 5.7 TBI) That could be the difference in gearing though.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2007 | 08:44 AM
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If I remember correctly the Non HO 351 in 1990 put out 230hp and the 302 put out 210. The Lightning in 94-95 had the HO351 with 240hp. But , no you don't have a junk cam, what you have is a FORD baby and ain't nothing about'em junk.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2007 | 08:46 AM
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If yout manual has accurate info... and that's not always the case, you'll see that the '94+ 5.8 trucks do produce more HP and TQ than the previous version, that's when the motor got the F4TE roller cam. You do have one of the "lame" motors, but the gearing in the truck has a hugh impact on towing ability and the overall feel of power the vehicle produces. You'll find an axle code on the driver's door or door pillar, that will decode to your gear ratio. BTW, The 351HO was only available with a carb before 1986.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2007 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Conanski
BTW, The 351HO was only available with a carb before 1986.
Actually, the carbed 351HO was through 1987, I used to have an 87 F250 with the 351 carb. 1988 started EFI across the board.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2007 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Conanski
If yout manual has accurate info... and that's not always the case, you'll see that the '94+ 5.8 trucks do produce more HP and TQ than the previous version, that's when the motor got the F4TE roller cam. You do have one of the "lame" motors, but the gearing in the truck has a hugh impact on towing ability and the overall feel of power the vehicle produces. You'll find an axle code on the driver's door or door pillar, that will decode to your gear ratio. BTW, The 351HO was only available with a carb before 1986.
I understand the gearing concept and I do have 4.10s in this truck. I got the truck in hopes it will do a better job towing than the Chebby (3.73 gears, 5.7 motor, and 4L60E tranny). Very disapointing truck. I don't expect massive differences from this truck just hoping it won't have to work so hard to get it done and if I can make it a little better I will. I don't want to spend the big $$ for the diesel, not to mention diesel prices here are $.50 higher than gas and I use this truck for my daily driver.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2007 | 06:48 PM
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Diesel prices are a little higher, but you'll get better pulling power and better fuel mileage. Also the diesel will last you longer.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2007 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by frankyford
Diesel prices are a little higher, but you'll get better pulling power and better fuel mileage. Also the diesel will last you longer.
I understand diesels (look in profile), it's the $500.00 + payment I can do without. That will buy me a lot of gas. Plus most people running diesels aren't doing them any justice using them to go grocery shopping. My comute to work is only seven miles. That doesn't even give them time to warm up. If the right deal comes along I'll get one but for now I'll live with what I have.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2007 | 11:17 PM
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[QUOTE=Conanski] You do have one of the "lame" motors,[/QUOTE


Are the cams different in lift and duration or just the fact that the new ones are roller. Roller will add some hp but that in itself should be negligable.
 
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Old Dec 14, 2007 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dixokai
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You do have one of the "lame" motors,
Are the cams different in lift and duration or just the fact that the new ones are roller. Roller will add some hp but that in itself should be negligable.
Plane Jane 351 got a flat tappet cam with 0.416" lift and 260 duration all around. The F4TE roller cam is 0.422" lift, 256 duration intake, 0.455" lift, 266 duration exhaust. That's an improvement in breathing on the exhaust side but probably nothing worth talking about on the intake. That said the '94+ roller motor is significantly stronger than the previous version so every little bit helps. The 5.8 in my truck easily out guns my fathers '95 E250, the cam has more intake lift and more duration everywhere so you'd expect it to make more HP, but with the lonbgtube headers it also makes more low rpm TQ. The stock heads are restrictive on the 5.8 so every little bit more lift on the valve you can get up to 1/2" will help. If these motors were equipped with larger volume intakes and higher flowing heads then the formula changes and it wouldn't need as much cam, but as it stands that's not the case.
 
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Wow, Paul, sounds like you got these engines down to a science. I'd like to get a little more good info. with those kinds of details. Reading on this board is a pretty good resource but those kinds of things are hard to get (with the rest of the story). Can you point me in a good direction to read up on that kind of stuff?
 
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