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Please help me settle something..
Is there any such thing as a full synthetic oil for a diesel??
The reason I ask is simple.. My mechanic called the local dealer ship and supposedly the guy in the service department said "Wow, this guy must be new to diesels, there's no such thing, only a semi-synthetic , similar to what Castrol makes".
The reason I ask is simple.. My mechanic called the local dealer ship and supposedly the guy in the service department said "Wow, this guy must be new to diesels, there's no such thing, only a semi-synthetic , similar to what Castrol makes".
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Originally Posted by JB666Rock
Is there any such thing as a full synthetic oil for a diesel??
The reason I ask is simple.. My mechanic called the local dealer ship and supposedly the guy in the service department said "Wow, this guy must be new to diesels, there's no such thing, only a semi-synthetic , similar to what Castrol makes".
The reason I ask is simple.. My mechanic called the local dealer ship and supposedly the guy in the service department said "Wow, this guy must be new to diesels, there's no such thing, only a semi-synthetic , similar to what Castrol makes".
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub..._ESP_5W-40.asp
I believe Schaffer and a few others also offer a full synthetic diesel oil.
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That's great!!!!!!!! I told him I've been reading around where people are running synthetic's in their diesels and he said the "ford tech" got a good laugh out of that one...
I love the crap you catch when you are a noob in a new world, but I really love it when you can prove them wrong. THANK YOU!
My next discussion that he said was ridiculous, was that I put my truck's engine block heater on a timer.. It's set to come on 2.5 hours before I leave in the morning , Monday-Friday only. He said to leave it plugged in from the second I get home till the second I leave in the morning, that it's "cheaper to maintain one temp then to try to bring an ice cold temp to 90 degrees in 2.5 hours".
Needless to say, I kept mine on a timer.
I love the crap you catch when you are a noob in a new world, but I really love it when you can prove them wrong. THANK YOU!
My next discussion that he said was ridiculous, was that I put my truck's engine block heater on a timer.. It's set to come on 2.5 hours before I leave in the morning , Monday-Friday only. He said to leave it plugged in from the second I get home till the second I leave in the morning, that it's "cheaper to maintain one temp then to try to bring an ice cold temp to 90 degrees in 2.5 hours".
Needless to say, I kept mine on a timer.
Originally Posted by PowerStrokeHD
Absolutely. Mobil Delvac 1 ESP is the first one that pops to mind.
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENCVLMOMobil_Delvac_1_ESP_5W-40.asp
I believe Schaffer and a few others also offer a full synthetic diesel oil.
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENCVLMOMobil_Delvac_1_ESP_5W-40.asp
I believe Schaffer and a few others also offer a full synthetic diesel oil.
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Originally Posted by HeavyAssault
True synthetics: Mobil 1(API rated), Schaffer 9000(API rated) and Amsoil (non-API rated).
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what a tool that mechanic is. that heater draws like 1100 watts and it'll be as hot as it's ever gonna get after only 3 hours, so leave it on the time my friend.
personally i'm too lazy for this, so i actually do plug mine in when i get home and leave it on all night, but actually with the new injectors and new batteries, my truck fires up perfectly every morning now without it, even though it's actually colder out now.
personally i'm too lazy for this, so i actually do plug mine in when i get home and leave it on all night, but actually with the new injectors and new batteries, my truck fires up perfectly every morning now without it, even though it's actually colder out now.
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I agree that he is wrong on the oil but I beilieve he is correct on the block heater. I have about 150 diesel trucks and it is cheaper and easier on the heater if you ask it to start with a warm engine and maintain that temp over night rather than bring it up from ice cold. I keep them on all night. However I do not keep them going over the weekends. We plug them in on Sunday so they are ready for Monday.
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i dont know about cheaper, but i'm sure it's easier to start with a warm engine and keep it warm, then to let everything get cold and then try to warm them up.
i leave mine all night when i do it, but lately i havent needed to.
i leave mine all night when i do it, but lately i havent needed to.
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I've had it plugged in the past few nights, but I haven't noticed a huge difference.. Then again, it's only been getting down in the 20's, so it's not REALLY cold out, yet....
I'm not sure what the deal is, (normal??) but when it's in the high 20's/low 30's she cranks over really slow, like the batteries are low..
Granted this is an 06 leftover with no miles, the batteries are still 2-3 years old, and I still think of it like new, and this is my first winter with it...
I'm not sure what the deal is, (normal??) but when it's in the high 20's/low 30's she cranks over really slow, like the batteries are low..
Granted this is an 06 leftover with no miles, the batteries are still 2-3 years old, and I still think of it like new, and this is my first winter with it...
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Originally Posted by JB666Rock
My next discussion that he said was ridiculous, was that I put my truck's engine block heater on a timer.. It's set to come on 2.5 hours before I leave in the morning , Monday-Friday only. He said to leave it plugged in from the second I get home till the second I leave in the morning, that it's "cheaper to maintain one temp then to try to bring an ice cold temp to 90 degrees in 2.5 hours".
Needless to say, I kept mine on a timer.
Needless to say, I kept mine on a timer.
That block heater is no different than running a 1000 watt light bulb and it never shuts off or reduces output regardless of engine temp. So I do not see how it is any cheaper to "maintain" the temp.
All I know is that dealer sounds scary.
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Yeah, he kind of pissed me off with his "Oh this guy must be new to the diesel world" comment. It's not necessary to put anyone down just because they aren't familiar with the terrain.... And it goes to show I wasn't full of it after all. I just called the mechanic that spoke to the "Ford Tech" and told him about the Mobil. He says "Well, Castrol's synthetic blend is better than the full synthetic anyway, in my opinion, and Mobil's more of a race oil".
WHAT?????? Opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one... This guy has been a great mechanic (of mine) for over 20 years. He knows his stuff, but things like this, I come here...... I already paid for the 5 gallon container of the semi-synthetic, so I'll use it, but next time, the Mobil's going in.
WHAT?????? Opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one... This guy has been a great mechanic (of mine) for over 20 years. He knows his stuff, but things like this, I come here...... I already paid for the 5 gallon container of the semi-synthetic, so I'll use it, but next time, the Mobil's going in.
Originally Posted by PowerStrokeHD
I prefer 3 - 4 hours, but 2.5 should be enough unless it is REAL cold. Regardless, there is nothing wrong with having a timer and it saves you money.
That block heater is no different than running a 1000 watt light bulb and it never shuts off or reduces output regardless of engine temp. So I do not see how it is any cheaper to "maintain" the temp.
All I know is that dealer sounds scary.
That block heater is no different than running a 1000 watt light bulb and it never shuts off or reduces output regardless of engine temp. So I do not see how it is any cheaper to "maintain" the temp.
All I know is that dealer sounds scary.
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From what I have been reading, Mobil Delvac 1 is the same formula as Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel oil. It is a full synthetic since at some time in the past it was officially approved to call a "Group III and Group IV base stock blend" a full synthetic. Mobil 1 used to be made from a Group IV base stock solely, but sometime in the recent past, it was changed to a Group III / Group IV blend. I am using Schaeffer 9000, so I know it is definately a Group III / Group IV base stock blend. I believe Rotella T is the same blend.
I have a question in to Exxon / Mobil asking for them to confirm this.
My source for this is the BITOG forum. I have not seen it anywhere else.
Soemtime in the past, I contacted Redline and Royal Purple. They sell oils that are completely Group IV or Group V base stock. Royal Purple's is a 15W-40.
I have a question in to Exxon / Mobil asking for them to confirm this.
My source for this is the BITOG forum. I have not seen it anywhere else.
Soemtime in the past, I contacted Redline and Royal Purple. They sell oils that are completely Group IV or Group V base stock. Royal Purple's is a 15W-40.
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Hey what do I know. You guys sound smarter. As I said before I have 150 powerstrokes and larger diesel engines. We have done test. The saving was not allot but is a savings. So either way it works for me. The less money to the electric company the more money goes in my pocket.
Isnt amsoil 100 % synthetic also. I actually use mobile as instructed by Matt. I figure after 10k in work I will follow his instructions.
Isnt amsoil 100 % synthetic also. I actually use mobile as instructed by Matt. I figure after 10k in work I will follow his instructions.
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Absolutely!! I can't argue at all there...
As for plugging in, I've got a device that measures electricity useage and breaks it down to $$ per hour. I'm doing a test..... This week is the 2.5 hours M-F, next week is ALL NIGHT M-F and the week after will be not plugging in at all..
I want to see the difference in starting, running, warm-up time and efficiency/electricity useage.
As for plugging in, I've got a device that measures electricity useage and breaks it down to $$ per hour. I'm doing a test..... This week is the 2.5 hours M-F, next week is ALL NIGHT M-F and the week after will be not plugging in at all..
I want to see the difference in starting, running, warm-up time and efficiency/electricity useage.
Originally Posted by Max66
Hey what do I know. You guys sound smarter. As I said before I have 150 powerstrokes and larger diesel engines. We have done test. The saving was not allot but is a savings. So either way it works for me. The less money to the electric company the more money goes in my pocket.
Isnt amsoil 100 % synthetic also. I actually use mobile as instructed by Matt. I figure after 10k in work I will follow his instructions.
Isnt amsoil 100 % synthetic also. I actually use mobile as instructed by Matt. I figure after 10k in work I will follow his instructions.
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It is kind of "cheesey" but here is a link that gives a complete history of synthetic PAO or Polyester synthetic oil. It is definately advertising, but interesting non-the-less.
http://www.synlube.com/synthetic.htm
It was in 1999 that NAD ruled that hydroisomerized base oils (Group III) can be classified as "synthetic oils". The API and SAE were involved w/ the NAD in this decision. NAD I believe is the National Advertising Division of the Better Business Bureau.
Also, the Group III / Group IV synthetics are ALMOST as good as pure Group IV PAO Polyalphaolefin oils but MUCH cheaper. To me, they are the BEST "bang for the buck".
From the Mobil website (this was news to me): Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel same as Mobil delvac 1.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Comparing_Delvac1_TurboDiesel.aspx
http://www.synlube.com/synthetic.htm
It was in 1999 that NAD ruled that hydroisomerized base oils (Group III) can be classified as "synthetic oils". The API and SAE were involved w/ the NAD in this decision. NAD I believe is the National Advertising Division of the Better Business Bureau.
Also, the Group III / Group IV synthetics are ALMOST as good as pure Group IV PAO Polyalphaolefin oils but MUCH cheaper. To me, they are the BEST "bang for the buck".
From the Mobil website (this was news to me): Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel same as Mobil delvac 1.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Comparing_Delvac1_TurboDiesel.aspx
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