The Pee Test
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The Pee Test
Received this in my e-mail:
Like a lot of folks in this Country, I have a job.
I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my
taxes as they see fit.
In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test,
which I have no problem with.
What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who
don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check, because I
have to pass one to earn it for them?
Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet.
I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit on their lazy
a$$, and buy dope and booze with my hard earned money.
Could you imagine how much money the government would save if people had
to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check.
Like a lot of folks in this Country, I have a job.
I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my
taxes as they see fit.
In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test,
which I have no problem with.
What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who
don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check, because I
have to pass one to earn it for them?
Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet.
I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit on their lazy
a$$, and buy dope and booze with my hard earned money.
Could you imagine how much money the government would save if people had
to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check.
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Unless there exists a reason to suspect someone is abusing a substance, I don't think anyone should be required to submit to a urinalysis.
IMO, it is an unreasonable search and in violation of the 4th amendment.
IMO, it is an unreasonable search and in violation of the 4th amendment.
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Originally Posted by SteveBricks
Unless there exists a reason to suspect someone is abusing a substance, I don't think anyone should be required to submit to a urinalysis.
IMO, it is an unreasonable search and in violation of the 4th amendment.
IMO, it is an unreasonable search and in violation of the 4th amendment.
It is sad when this country is turning into like the movie (1984) Police State
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if you are working for a company that is responsible for your injury costs and medical bills due to injury... they most certainly DO have the right to make sure the employees are clean.
if i had a lady in the house to dust and she were drunk, fell and smacked her head, why do i have to pay her hospital bills??
if it's not your company...keep your pee clean. or look for work elsewhere.
income redistribution is or should be a different thread..
if i had a lady in the house to dust and she were drunk, fell and smacked her head, why do i have to pay her hospital bills??
if it's not your company...keep your pee clean. or look for work elsewhere.
income redistribution is or should be a different thread..
Last edited by lenny1carl; Nov 4, 2007 at 01:50 PM.
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Originally Posted by SteveBricks
Unless there exists a reason to suspect someone is abusing a substance, I don't think anyone should be required to submit to a urinalysis.
IMO, it is an unreasonable search and in violation of the 4th amendment.
IMO, it is an unreasonable search and in violation of the 4th amendment.
I agree with sierraben, if you need to pass a test to earn a paycheck, you should have to pass a test to be handed one.
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Originally Posted by lenny1carl
if i had a lady in the house to dust and she were drunk, fell and smacked her head, why do i have to pay her hospital bills??
because you had a reasonable suspicion that she was drunk.
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In the Transportation business I do think it is necessary. And it is required by the DOT to have it done..and when I owned my Trucking company I ran test on my own on people that was working for me..We had no accidents ether..
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Originally Posted by SteveBricks
You should not have to. You would not let her in the house (To dust, anyway) because you had a reasonable suspicion that she was drunk.
because you had a reasonable suspicion that she was drunk.I have drunken women stumble into my shop everyday..
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Originally Posted by SteveBricks
You should not have to. You would not let her in the house (To dust, anyway) because you had a reasonable suspicion that she was drunk.
because you had a reasonable suspicion that she was drunk.it's not a right to work.
you're there at the owners graces. privacy ends when you punch the clock.
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Originally Posted by Ford_Six
I think, given the current climate in most housing projects and other government subsidized housing, that there is reasonable cause to test.
I agree with sierraben, if you need to pass a test to earn a paycheck, you should have to pass a test to be handed one.
I agree with sierraben, if you need to pass a test to earn a paycheck, you should have to pass a test to be handed one.
Having said that, let me also say that it's my opinion that a man has a right to be "secure in his own person" and without probable cause should not be forced to submit to such tests. It strikes me as having to prove one's innocence. OK, back to the quote.
The civil rights lawyers would have a field day with that. Can you imagine? All persons living in subsidized housing collecting welfare must submit to urinalysis. So, if you collect welfare and don't live in subsidized housing, you needn't test?
I'm not sure if that is the opinion of the o/p, just an e-mail he posted.
We will at some point know.
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Originally Posted by sglaine
What I can't figure out is that my electrician can not work unless he is drunk and he does great work when he is lit.. But have him around sober he can not function...
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Originally Posted by lenny1carl
shut up wise a*s. by the way, did i leave my wire nuts there????
No but Jim did the last time he was here and do you want to buy them...LOL
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Originally Posted by lenny1carl
and an employer with many employees can't be on the floor all the time checking for drunks or druggers. random tests are all they have. or like my last boss....get hurt, blood test instantly, and if there is any trace....you pay the bill and find a new job. that was with the random testing. if you go to work buzzed.... you should be fired.
it's not a right to work.
you're there at the owners graces. privacy ends when you punch the clock.
it's not a right to work.
you're there at the owners graces. privacy ends when you punch the clock.
The word random did not appear in the o/p. (I know, now i'm pickin' fly s**t out of pepper)
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Originally Posted by SteveBricks
I'm fine with get hurt, test immediately, at that point he has a reason . Right again, it is not a right to work.
The word random did not appear in the o/p. (I know, now i'm pickin' fly s**t out of pepper)
The word random did not appear in the o/p. (I know, now i'm pickin' fly s**t out of pepper)
if you can keep them clean on a day to day basis because they are afraid of a random test, the likely hood of an accident is MUCH less. it's like a DWI(DUI) road check. keep 'em honest on the front end. it lessons the damage on the back end.
Last edited by lenny1carl; Nov 4, 2007 at 02:46 PM.