I thought diesel always went up in the fall and winter, because it's lumped in with fuel oils which are used for heating. The it goes back down in the summer. Supply and demand you know.

 

yea it used to go from 25 cents summer to 28 cents winter.

 

In the distant past I can remember 9 cents per gallon for off road fuel back on the farm.

Harley45 mentioned a big part of the problem.
55 dollars a barrel from OPEC, but the futures traders are sticking 41 dollars a barrel in their pocket so the oil is 96 dollars a barrel.

Read this from the UK.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...6/cnoil126.xml

 

need to get rid of futures traders, get more hydro dams up, more solar/wind, and nuclear power. now that they have fast and slow reactors we can burn up 90% of the fuel vs the lesser amount we used in the passed. problem is not fuel or population. the problem is the global market/free trade and what not and illegals add to the problem. if we were to start manufacturing again in the US more people would have jobs and better paying jobs at that, then you kick the illegals out get rid of walfare, get rid of the law making your a citizen at birth like canada did. then the illegals will have no reason to come here and try and screw us over. then we can just setup posts all the way down the border and if your a illegal trying to get passed u get one warning shot, next one won't miss. if they don't like it thats tough **** for them. Im not going to lose my country to them or china or coruption. this is why there will be a civil war again and the weak will lose. then maybe america can get back to the way of the old school

oh and the reason why canada and the other countries pay more than us still is because they are taxed way more than us. why else do you think they could afford crappy national free heathcare. no offense but that is a broken and retarded program

 

As far as fuel prices in canada goes, it did pop up in recent years, but I have noticed some recovery in the last few months. At one point we were at $1.40/liter, not its around $1.00-1.20 depending on where you are. I guess the drop in price is partially due to the fact that oil is priced in US$.

faststang, as a canadian, I am very gratefull that we have free health insurance in this county, its not perfect, but I have yet to find one person up here that would give it up to favor a "for profit" healthcare system.

For energy futures, the solution is to cut ourselves off as much as possible from the free market when it comes to energy. I have seen examples of folks who actually make a few bucks off the power company by porducing a surplus of electricity and reselling what they do not use. Covering the roof of an average home in solar panels is more popular in places where energy is more expencive, and in theory, its possible to run battery powered vehicles for free.

 

well your intitled to your opinion, but as far as ive heard and seen and am concerned its a failed system. when your put on a waiting list if your dying because some druggy got sick and got there first. i consider that failed, plus your paying for illegals that are in your country too. i don't know about you, but i like to know where my tax money is going because i sure as hell don't see it going into anything to benifit the legal public

 

I'm just assuming that everyone has noticed the higher prices at the grocery store lately. I'm a farmer among other things and you can blame that on diesel prices at least partly. This fall it cost me twice what it did just two years ago to plow and plant my wheat.
Yes, exactly twice the amount. Seed was higher because it cost more to harvest last year. It went from 7 something a bag to almost 16 dollars a bag.

I traded in my old tractor this year and got a brand new one that is a lot more efficient. Still, while it used less fuel, it cost me more this fall.
Next year seed prices will be up even more because it is costing more to plant it now. The year after that even more and so on and so on. Farmers aren't going to plant things for free after all. Somebody has to pay for it.
Now we only have one vehicle here and it's a big powerstroke pickup. It may get 22 MPG on the highway but at 3.40 a gallon and rising it's killing me. I already have the tractor laid up for the winter and I'm riding my horse to town more and more lately. Seriously. I might as well grow out my beard and convert to Amish. I can't afford this life.

 

why are we not seeing more on hydrogen vehicles. honda is supposed to have a h generator perfected that is small enough to stay in your garage. it it supposed to supply your auto and comepletly power your house. other automakers have the autos just not finished developing generators.

 

reason why you dont see them is because the gov doesn't want them.. if no one stands up to the gov this is how its going to be, but if you get millions of pissed off people and throw the corupt people out then only will it get better for us. I have my gun do you?

 

yes I still have my guns. but the government is still the people here that is why the hydroelectric plants and wind farms get turned down.
I don't believe it is the older population keeping these things from happening it is the younger generation more worried about the skyline and fish-birds than their kids being able to survive.

 

You can look at flyingj.com to get current fuel prlces most places us and cn.
this week it cost 57 cents a mile to run my truck. So dave with the rates we get today our pay is prpbably less than when you quit trucking.

 

Hyrogen isn't the answer, lithium ion is. Its been a hobby of mine to look up alternative vehicles (mainly electric) for several years now, and hyrogen is never going to be as efficient or safe as battery powered cars. Most fuel cells are only 50-60% efficient, while battery powered cars are al least 80%. And if your worried about range, don't be, a ford ranger conversion will be avalable starting next year that can be equipped with optional batteries that can give it a 400 mile range, even more is possible (top of the line batteries come with a lifetime waranty). I've always wanted to convert to battery power, or at least hybrid to keep the good o'l 6.9, battery prices are now in the "dooable" range.

Hyrogen is being promoted now because everyone knows that its still at least 15 years away from being cost effective, and it has been 15 years away for the last 20 years. Therefore, in the meantime, we still buy gas, instead of using solutions that are ready right now. Classic example of grandstanding to avoid taking any real action.

I don't know about you, but I don't think I want a hyrogen generator in my garage. But the real problem with hyrogen is getting large amounts of if into a small space, to liquify it, you have to use cryo-cooling first, making refueling an expencive proposition.

Making hydrogen is not hard by the way, sending DC current through some conductive water will decompose the water into its elementary components (salt can be used for conductivity, but any electrolyte will work). I once observed this when the leads from a battery charge fell into a pan of coolant, small bubbles formed in the battery clips, namely oxygen, and hydrogen, prolly other products as well.

 

where I live it 180 mile trip to the grocery store and back.
A lot of the trips I take are 4000 miles or better a lot of the small towns in yukon,alaska, nwt even northern bc people still use (diesel) generators for electricity so batteries is definately not doable for everybody.

 

$3.72 a gallon and rising here in eastern Washington state.

 

Excellent point made right here by Dave. I have several good friends that are owner/operators and despite continued price increases at the pump (around $3.60/galllon right now) the fuel surcharge rates have not been there to compensate. The profit margins have fallen so far that my buddies are all considering becoming company drivers again and letting the companies assume the costs associated with transporting goods. Another thing to consider is that emissions laws are more strict now than ever on all engines but diesels are really getting hammered hard for the first time. With more emissions components fuel economy has suffered and repair costs have increased. Check out how much it costs to rebuild an old Cummins N14 as opposed to the new ISX and you can see the difference. I was on the verge of buying my own rig but I'm sure glad I didn't.

As far as alternative energies are concerned, I'm still not sold on the the hybrid or solely battery powered cars. I was reading a news article online some time ago and they had done a piece on the plant where Toyota manufactured batteries for it's Prius. All of the land surrounding the plant was completely destroyed from the high nickel content being sent into the air. Makes you question if battery packs are any safer than burning fuel, not to mention they have to be desposed of after they wear out.

Although internal combustion may not be the most effecient way to produce energy, I still believe it will power us for some time to come. The question is how can we make it better. I think that Dr. Raphial Morgado's MYT engine gives us a glimpse of what the future could hold. Assuming that it's capable of achieving what they say it can, it could eventually replace nearly all of our current engines, from large to small. http://www.angellabsllc.com/index.html Now do I think that this will ever happen? Probably not. With such high efficiency, low emissions, and virtually no maintainence, it would put 10's of thousands of people out of work and the oil industry into a spiral. I just don't see anybody contending with those heavy weights right now. We can all hope though.