Toyota slipping
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From: Denver USA
Originally Posted by krewat
Read this yesterday and it's been nagging me for 24 hours 
4WD's are heavier than 2WD's.
4WD's will get muddy and wet, and get more suspension flex, and be put through more abuse powertrain wise, while 2WD's will not (as much).
4WD's are heavier than 2WD's.
4WD's will get muddy and wet, and get more suspension flex, and be put through more abuse powertrain wise, while 2WD's will not (as much).
I'm wondering how the Audio System, Power Equipment and Body Hardware are rated so much higher on the 2WD than the 4WD.
These are all the same across the models and the 4WD plays no part into how these pieces are effected.
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Originally Posted by krewat
What's Power Equipment? Power windows, mirrors, etc? Water, mud, etc?
Body hardware isn't going to be effected by off-roading?
Audio Equipment, well
Body hardware isn't going to be effected by off-roading?
Audio Equipment, well
Yes body hardware could and will be effected by off-roading, but then again how many CR reads are really duing this in their brand new truck?
I would venture to say very few, probably 1/20th, if that of the '07 Tundra population. Heck, I haven't even seen one on a construction or work site yet.
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Originally Posted by V8EXPLR
Power mirrors, windows etc. Yes! So the seals on a 2WD trucks are better than that of a 4WD? We're not talking about abusing the truck, like going mud bogging or crossing deep rivers. Heck, how many of the CR owners with their truck less than 6 months to a year old would do that?
Yes body hardware could and will be effected by off-roading, but then again how many CR reads are really duing this in their brand new truck?
I would venture to say very few, probably 1/20th, if that of the '07 Tundra population. Heck, I haven't even seen one on a construction or work site yet.
Yes body hardware could and will be effected by off-roading, but then again how many CR reads are really duing this in their brand new truck?
I would venture to say very few, probably 1/20th, if that of the '07 Tundra population. Heck, I haven't even seen one on a construction or work site yet.
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Originally Posted by Big Bad
Couple new ones, you don't have to look hard these days. 
Feds To Inspect Pickup Trucks After I-Team Investigation
Drivers Say Vehicle Has Unexplained Acceleration Problems
Reported by Jeremy Finley
POSTED: 4:14 pm CDT October 8, 2007
UPDATED: 10:31 pm CDT October 8, 2007
Excerpt: "It was just trying to go 120 mph. I was pressing on the brakes as hard as I could, and it was just going forward out of control," said Pratt.
There is also a similar case of this happening to a 2007 Tacoma driver in San Diego.
"The engine just revved up and took off, and I thought I was going to die. I was going to crash,” said Tacoma driver Paul Rohal.
Now Toyotas are trying to kill their owners. Oh what a feeling!
http://www.wsmv.com/news/14295351/detail.html
That's not all: http://www.wsmv.com/iteam/14304072/detail.html
Uh oh: http://www.kpho.com/video/14310861/index.html
Toyota to fix 600,000 Sienna minivans
10/24/07, 05:33pm, EDT
Toyota has announced that it will voluntarily fix a defect in 600,000 2004-2006 Sienna minivans. Since the majority of the Siennas effected have past their 3 year/36,000 mile warranty, Toyota is issuing a warranty enhancement to vehicles with up to 100,000 miles. Toyota is not calling the situation a recall.
The warranty enhancement service is being performed due to a bad spot weld on the Sienna's front doors that could possibly fail, causing the doors swing freely and unexpectedly shut. Toyota will also reimburse those owners who have already had the problem fixed. The Japanese automaker will inform Sienna owners of the problem through a letter to be sent out on November 2.
While Toyota isn't calling the situation a recall, it only adds to mounting quality concerns as the company attempts to become the world's largest automaker.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-to-fix-600000-sienna-minivans.html
Toyota fixing 600,000 Sienna doors, but it's not a recall mind you: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/24/toyota-fixing-600-000-sienna-doors-but-its-not-a-recall-mind-y/
Don't Call it a Recall: Toyota to Fix 600,000 Siennas: http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2007/10/dont-call-it-a-.html
Feds To Inspect Pickup Trucks After I-Team Investigation
Drivers Say Vehicle Has Unexplained Acceleration Problems
Reported by Jeremy Finley
POSTED: 4:14 pm CDT October 8, 2007
UPDATED: 10:31 pm CDT October 8, 2007
Excerpt: "It was just trying to go 120 mph. I was pressing on the brakes as hard as I could, and it was just going forward out of control," said Pratt.
There is also a similar case of this happening to a 2007 Tacoma driver in San Diego.
"The engine just revved up and took off, and I thought I was going to die. I was going to crash,” said Tacoma driver Paul Rohal.
Now Toyotas are trying to kill their owners. Oh what a feeling!
http://www.wsmv.com/news/14295351/detail.html
That's not all: http://www.wsmv.com/iteam/14304072/detail.html
Uh oh: http://www.kpho.com/video/14310861/index.html
Toyota to fix 600,000 Sienna minivans
10/24/07, 05:33pm, EDT
Toyota has announced that it will voluntarily fix a defect in 600,000 2004-2006 Sienna minivans. Since the majority of the Siennas effected have past their 3 year/36,000 mile warranty, Toyota is issuing a warranty enhancement to vehicles with up to 100,000 miles. Toyota is not calling the situation a recall.
The warranty enhancement service is being performed due to a bad spot weld on the Sienna's front doors that could possibly fail, causing the doors swing freely and unexpectedly shut. Toyota will also reimburse those owners who have already had the problem fixed. The Japanese automaker will inform Sienna owners of the problem through a letter to be sent out on November 2.
While Toyota isn't calling the situation a recall, it only adds to mounting quality concerns as the company attempts to become the world's largest automaker.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-to-fix-600000-sienna-minivans.html
Toyota fixing 600,000 Sienna doors, but it's not a recall mind you: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/24/toyota-fixing-600-000-sienna-doors-but-its-not-a-recall-mind-y/
Don't Call it a Recall: Toyota to Fix 600,000 Siennas: http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2007/10/dont-call-it-a-.html
those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
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Originally Posted by FTE Fred
I do believe the proverb is
those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
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Originally Posted by FTE Fred
I do believe the proverb is
those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
Frankly, 2005 and newer Ford models have been by and large trouble free. Toyotas haven't. Let the stone throwing commence, as it looks like Ford has traded glass for steel.
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Originally Posted by Big Bad
Frankly, 2005 and newer Ford models have been by and large trouble free. Toyotas haven't. Let the stone throwing commence, as it looks like Ford has traded glass for steel.
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Other than the 2008 SD flamethrowing recall, Ford hasn't really had any notable recalls that affected 2005 or newer models.
The D3s had a couple minor recalls since intro. The Fusion and Edge have been exceptional thus far. Contrast this with Toyota who has had recall and issue after recall and issue on current 2007 models, evidence already provided.
The D3s had a couple minor recalls since intro. The Fusion and Edge have been exceptional thus far. Contrast this with Toyota who has had recall and issue after recall and issue on current 2007 models, evidence already provided.
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Originally Posted by Big Bad
Has Ford had this many problems with 2006 and newer models?
No.
Have they had any problems with these years - well, history will be the determinant of that.
History has also shown that Ford is largely reactive to such a situation too - only recalling vehicles when there appears to be no other choice, and maximum carnage has already occured...
So just because there isn't a major recall that has been issued - for one, it doesn't mean there won't be.
Two - going on history, Fords have had many more (and much more severe) recalls than Toyota. History is all we can go off too.
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Originally Posted by FTE Fred
Has Ford recalled any vehicles in this model range yet?
No.
Have they had any problems with these years - well, history will be the determinant of that.
History has also shown that Ford is largely reactive to such a situation too - only recalling vehicles when there appears to be no other choice, and maximum carnage has already occured...
So just because there isn't a major recall that has been issued - for one, it doesn't mean there won't be.
Two - going on history, Fords have had many more (and much more severe) recalls than Toyota. History is all we can go off too.
No.
Have they had any problems with these years - well, history will be the determinant of that.
History has also shown that Ford is largely reactive to such a situation too - only recalling vehicles when there appears to be no other choice, and maximum carnage has already occured...
So just because there isn't a major recall that has been issued - for one, it doesn't mean there won't be.
Two - going on history, Fords have had many more (and much more severe) recalls than Toyota. History is all we can go off too.
How many years did it take for the cruise control issue to be recalled and how many people had their personal property damaged or lost because of it.
Or the finger pointing that went on with Firestone before the recall for the tire separation on the Explorers.
Makes a flimsy tailgate and broken camshafts look pretty minor.
Ford has some momentum of late with the Fusion and their highly touted redesigned SD. I only hope they can keep it going.
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Tundra's quality problems bring 'shame' to Toyota
Mark Rechtin
Automotive News
November 5, 2007 - 12:01 am ET
TOKYO — Toyota Motor Corp.'s global manufacturing chief expressed "shame" over quality problems that have plagued the launch of the 2007 Tundra full-sized pickup.
"We have had some trouble on the first stage," said Takeshi Uchiyamada, executive vice president for production and total quality management. "New models typically have problems, but Toyota doesn't want that."
Speaking at an event during press days at the Tokyo motor show, Uchiyamada said Toyota had expected some problems with the launch since the Tundra is a redesigned truck built in a new factory. Toyota began producing the Tundra in San Antonio early this year.
The redesigned Tundra has been troubled by faulty camshafts and torque converters and cracking tailgates.
Some have speculated that Toyota's plants are being pushed too hard by the company's rampaging sales growth. Uchiyamada would not go that far. But he said Toyota "has a sales volume expansion plan, and we have to keep up."
To solve quality pro......
http://autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?.../711050332/1176
Mark Rechtin
Automotive News
November 5, 2007 - 12:01 am ET
TOKYO — Toyota Motor Corp.'s global manufacturing chief expressed "shame" over quality problems that have plagued the launch of the 2007 Tundra full-sized pickup.
"We have had some trouble on the first stage," said Takeshi Uchiyamada, executive vice president for production and total quality management. "New models typically have problems, but Toyota doesn't want that."
Speaking at an event during press days at the Tokyo motor show, Uchiyamada said Toyota had expected some problems with the launch since the Tundra is a redesigned truck built in a new factory. Toyota began producing the Tundra in San Antonio early this year.
The redesigned Tundra has been troubled by faulty camshafts and torque converters and cracking tailgates.
Some have speculated that Toyota's plants are being pushed too hard by the company's rampaging sales growth. Uchiyamada would not go that far. But he said Toyota "has a sales volume expansion plan, and we have to keep up."
To solve quality pro......
http://autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?.../711050332/1176
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well, that sucks. i like Toyota. had a few and loved them. theyll get their act together. theyll learn from this and fix things. im glad to see Ford coming back too. all my dad used to buy was Ford. then they started to have problems and he bought the Toyotas. then he needed a SD sized truck and got another Ford which i now have. so far, the SD has been great. im glad to see them doin good. hope Toyota can get their act together and them and Ford can knock dodge and gm off the earth.
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I myself thinks Toyota deserves everything its getting. And the owners of those toyotas have nothing to complain about. If they dont like it then ooo geezz.... maby buy american? I have never owned a new Dodge, Ford or chevy I own all old fords. I dont know about there quality nore do i care. Its more about the economy of america. So keep on buying foreign, See what happens.
Cracking Tailgates??? Wow thats a first. And let me get this straight, the whole truck is made in that exact metal? Why not make them out of plastic and paint em with lead paint? IMO of course. But thats just me....
The redesigned Tundra has been troubled by faulty camshafts and torque converters and cracking tailgates.
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Originally Posted by THE KING
I myself thinks Toyota deserves everything its getting. And the owners of those toyotas have nothing to complain about. If they dont like it then ooo geezz.... maby buy american? I have never owned a new Dodge, Ford or chevy I own all old fords. I dont know about there quality nore do i care. Its more about the economy of america. So keep on buying foreign, See what happens. Cracking Tailgates??? Wow thats a first. And let me get this straight, the whole truck is made in that exact metal? Why not make them out of plastic and paint em with lead paint? IMO of course. But thats just me....
I'd love for you to enlighten me on the economy of America. You've never even owned a new "domestic" so you're not helping Ford anyway.
You people are amazing. If anyone has gotten what's coming to them it's Ford, Chevy, and Dodge. They made crap for so many years. They gave up the car market and relied totally on truck and SUV sales to pay the bills. Now people aren't buying them. They are buying "foreign" cars that have for years been fuel efficient and reliable.
You want to talk about problems- Try the 6 liter diesel. Try the modular gas engines spitting plugs. Try Explorers that are nick named exploders because of repeat tranny failures. The list goes on and on.
Good god, take the Ford blinders off and open your friggin eyes.
Mike