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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by greagin
also, how much is this injector? $300? where would i get it and how much estimated time to put in for a fairlyexperienced do it yourselfer? also, do i have to do any mods before putting in this injector or could i go get one tomorrow and throw it in there?
At the Fraud Dealership, probably. It is about $200, IIRC at the International dealership.

http://www.realdeisel.com/POWERSTROKEPRODUCTS.html

$139 there
 
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 08:39 PM
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Two issues, one post.

5W-40 is no thinner at operating temp that 15W-40. That's what the "40" part means. When hot, both oils are like 40W oil. However, when cold, 5W-40 is like 5W oil and is thinner than the 15W-40 oil acting like 15W oil when cold.

About the injector, I'd double check that you have one. The trucks didn't get them until '02, so odds are you don't need to swap it. If you do have it, you can get it from a vendor for around $120, with a core.

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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 08:41 PM
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and yes, you can just buy an injector tomorrow and "throw" it in. it is not hard take your time, and you will be fine. here are instructions

http://www.beansdieselperformance.co...torinstall.htm

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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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To answer another of your questions, yes, the Rotella-T 5w40 would be a great oil. Lots of folks use it and love it in their PSD's. Personally, I haven't tried that one yet. I made a 12K mile run on Amsoil and am now about 2-3K into a run on Schaeffers 9000 series 5w40 synthetic, which I already like a lot more than the Amsoil.

As for install time, you're probably looking at 3-4 hours on the CCK and 2-3 hours on the in-tanks.
 

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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 12:18 AM
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about the injector? how would i go about checking to see that i have it? is that something i could look up by VIN number? or do i need to disassemble and actually pull the injector out?
 
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 12:40 AM
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Nah, that is stamped right on the top of the injector. I will tell you, based on what I think I know, you have a LL injector in the #8 hole. Period. I know I have one and don't even need to pull the cover.

I saw it on my AE, not to mention it is known that it was put in there after the early 99 model was updated. It is not the end of the world. Need I post the tables?
 
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 12:54 AM
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According to the Alliant Injector Application Chart (folks who made the OE injectors for the Ford/International diesels), the LL injector was not installed as a "cackle" solution except for engines with "build dates" from MY 2002 and forward. You can identify your build date for your engine by looking for the sticker on the driver side valve cover (at least, it's on the driver side for my engine).

SOOOO.... the charts would suggest that you don't have the LL injector to worry about after all (I attached the Alliant Documentation for your reference, BTW, which also appears to have been last updated on August 30 of this year).

HOWEVER, I found a different website that said exactly what Mike (Tenn) just said, that the LL injectors were installed on the 99-1/2's and up.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 01:10 AM
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Thanks for clearing that up Pete. I am betting he has a LL.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 01:29 AM
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Jeremy, did you have a LL in yours?

Check out this thread.
 

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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Tenn01PSD350
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I saw it on my AE, not to mention it is known that it was put in there after the early 99 model was updated. It is not the end of the world. Need I post the tables?
I've GOT to get that SW!! How did it tell you which injectors are where? By test results or does it actually know somehow by reading the something?
 
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Izzy351
I've GOT to get that SW!! How did it tell you which injectors are where? By test results or does it actually know somehow by reading the something?
you would be able to tell by the rotational velocity test, no long lead in #8 hole would show a drop in RV for that cylinder(due to lower pressure fuel for the 8 hole since it fires immediatley after the 6 hole) LL in #8 would show more consistent RV between 6&8.

Now according to the Alliant injector guide, the only way you would know if your 99-01 has a LL is to have an OASIS done, or pull the vavle cover, and look. Since the 8 hole is on the drivers side it would not be that hard to check, remove intake, remove CAC tube, remove VC and look. since the VC gasket is reusable , no purchase needed.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 08:59 AM
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That's what I thought. Since I've already put in the CCK, wouldn't that take some of the RV drop away even if I had the AD in there?? I'll just pull it this weekend and look. The weather's nice enough here now that a few hours in the garage (READ: Therapy) is what I need right now.

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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 04:27 PM
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now, i'm thoroughly confused. is the LL injector good or bad (translate noisy or not noisy). basically, do i want it or not? would the CCK mod reduce the noise as much as replacing the injector? if so, then i will simply do that. what about the 5w-40 synthetic thing? how will that reduce the clacking of the engine? just curious.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by greagin
now, i'm thoroughly confused. is the LL injector good or bad (translate noisy or not noisy). basically, do i want it or not? would the CCK mod reduce the noise as much as replacing the injector? if so, then i will simply do that. what about the 5w-40 synthetic thing? how will that reduce the clacking of the engine? just curious.
As I understand it, the LL injector is there to compensagte for the lack of the regulated return. With the RR, you don't need the LL anymore and it might change the Rotational Value some.
 
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greagin.... you shouldn't try to eliminate the LL injector unless you do either the reg return or CCK. Both the reg return and the CCK will reduce cackle, and even more can be reduced if you eliminate the LL injector AFTER doing one of those other mods. Without doing either reg return or CCK, you still need the design of the LL to compensate for unbalanced fuel flow through the fuel rails.

You see, the #8 injector fires immediately after the #6 injector, and these two injectors are the back two injectors on the driver side of the engine, the No.8 LL injector being rear-most in position at the very dead end of the fuel rail. It was designed to allow fuel to flow into and through it more freely to compensate for the potential "starvation" that could result under load right after the #6 fires.

Both the reg return adn the CCK connect a fuel supply or cross-over connection to the fuel port that is plugged on each fuel rail's dead end (front of engine on passenger side, rear of engine on driver side). By making this cross-connection in these ports that were plugged by FOrd, you are providing an alternate route for the fuel to get into the otherwise potentially starving No.8 LL injector because it can get fuel from both directions - from the side where No.6 just robbed some fuel and also from the dead end of the passenger side rail that is under full pressure.

So, with the No.8 no longer starving for fuel (because of either reg return or CCK), you no longer need the extra fuel flow rate on the LL injector, and the fact that it now flows more full than it did before allows it to actually begin to contribute cackle back into the engine due to the imbalance of flow.

Without CCK or reg return, the flows are balanced through the injectors because No.8 flows more than the others to compensate for its tendency to be starved by No.6.

WITH either the CCK or reg return, the No.8 begins to flow more fuel than it used to because it has higher pressures available to it, and you end up with a little cackle due to the newly created flow imbalance.

Both the CCK and reg return DO help reduce cackle, but they can do so more efficiently if the LL is replaced with an AD injector in order to maintain balanced cylinder-to-cylinder fuel flow. (I guess you could also replace the other 7 with all AE injectors and end up with a little more fuel flow into all 8 cylinders - theoretically, anyway).
 
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