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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Percys Armory
SCR uses a reductant (ammonia or urea), which is injected into the exhaust gas to help reduce oxides of nitrogen (NOx) over a catalyst. Some systems also use a particulate trap to further reduce emissions. Unlike some other emissions control equipment, fitting SCR should not result in any increase in fuel consumption and by allowing the engine to be tuned for maximum economy can actually decrease fuel consumption.

Ongoing maintenance costs will involve regular replacement of the reductant, either ammonia or urea. Replacement of the ammonia gas cylinder or replenishment of the liquid ammonia/urea tank will only be required around every 9 -10,000 miles for a taxi, but will be much more frequent for a heavy vehicle. As to the choice of using urea or ammonia, it is likely that urea will be more commonly used by manufacturers as it has much lower health risks.

Clean Diesel Technologies' patented ARIS™ 2000 NOx reduction system is a low-cost urea injection system, which reduces NOx to elemental nitrogen and water vapour. At typical exhaust temperatures of 320-500°C NOx reduction is between 70% and 90%.

http://www.cdti.com/emissions_solutions.html
Is this for real????? Urea as an emission control??? Wouldn't that have a corrosive effect on the exhaust line?
 
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 10:10 PM
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Thumbs up 2010...The next SuperDuty!

Originally Posted by PowerStrokeHD
Ford is currently/has been working on project "Scorpion". "Scorpion" is a in-house replacement 6.7L V8 CGI diesel slated for the 2010 SD's. Early dyno reports were showing 400 HP @ 3500 RPM and 700 FT LBS @ 1600 RPM.

This engine is also planned to get the new 6R140 6-speed auto trans.

If Ford can not make 2010 with this engine and continues to use the 6.4L it is expected that the diesel SD's will have a urea tank that needs filling for the 6.4L to meet 2010 emissions. Ford wanted to explore other options to meet 2010 emissions with the 6.4L early on and Navistar has been set on using a urea system.
Dude...if this is true, then I am waiting until 2010+ to purchase my NEW SuperDuty. Not only for the "Scorpion", but for that 6-spd auto tranny. This is going to make a kill all competition LT truck!...IMO.

Plus, rumor has it that the SuperDuty line will also receive a face-lift from the current '08.

Great NEWS PowerStrokeHD!


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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 10:16 PM
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I read an article (magazine, not Internet ) that stated the EPA would not allow the urea injection to meet the emission standards because it requires maintenance. I guess they don't think people will maintain their vehicles.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2007 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by biz4two
but for that 6-spd auto tranny.
I read on the internet, that's coming next year. Double od with 6th at .6 od. Also, new dpf and more power?
 
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Percys Armory
link to info?
Sorry, but there is very little "official" information that I can provide at this time. Both Ford and its prospective suppliers are doing a good job at being tight lipped on whats to come. The only relevant information at this time is MAG Internationals announcement that they have recieved four major contracts to produce the machining lines for upcoming North American CGI diesels. It is likely that Ford is one of these contracts and will be for both the 4.4L and the 6.7L.

Link to article on MAG announcement.

http://www.amtonline.org/document_di...ument_ID=51455
 
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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by NS F250
I read an article (magazine, not Internet ) that stated the EPA would not allow the urea injection to meet the emission standards because it requires maintenance. I guess they don't think people will maintain their vehicles.
The EPA does have concerns over the use of a SCR/urea based system and like you suspect it is due to the fact they do not think people will maintain them. Although I have never seen where the EPA will not allow use of a SCR system. Infact there is a recent article that covered this that included some interesting ways to "force" one to maintain the SCR system. It can be found at the link.

http://www.greendieseltechnology.com/News.asp?ID=429&link


Originally Posted by NS F250
I read on the internet, that's coming next year. Double od with 6th at .6 od. Also, new dpf and more power?
From what I understand, the first "model year" that will get the new 6R140 is 2010. Based on the current contracts, the 5R110 is to be produced thru the 2009 model year and then will be replaced by the 6R140 in the 2010 model year. Granted things can always change.

This is good news for Ford's Sharonville Transmisson Plant who builds the 5R110 and was officially awarded the 6R140 contract. They were expected to shut down by 2010 with the end of the 5R110's production life.
 

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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 03:45 PM
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YES...it will void your warranty.


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Keep in mind that it will only void your exhaust warranty, if you install a new exhaust you should get a warranty at that time.
 
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