To anyone looking at headers
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Here's some pics of my cheapo eBay ones:
http://fords.kilonet.org/krewat/v10-headers/index.html
A few people had asked about headers in the past few weeks, so I figured I'd post up what I had done.
http://fords.kilonet.org/krewat/v10-headers/index.html
A few people had asked about headers in the past few weeks, so I figured I'd post up what I had done.
JL
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They're at least 16 gauge...
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On my 4x4, I removed the shock towers to get better access. Other than that, wow, that would be a hard job without removing that spring tower.
Any chance of removing the coil and tower?
Any chance of removing the coil and tower?
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You can get just the headers/y-pipe setup seperatly from Banks and several online stores. I would do a search. I looked at Banks while shopping for headers and found a few places that sell the just the headers and y.
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The Banks is supposed to be one of the best fitting header/ ypipe setups on the market. The Y-pipe connects at the triangular shaped flange in front of the cat converter. There is some wiggle room in the exhaust system.
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Unless Banks has changed, you used to have to cut the flange off if the triangle connector was in front of the crossmember. On the earlier models that had the connector behind the crossmember, it would bolt right up.
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The problem I see with the Ebay headers is the Welds themselves. They are TIG welded. The reason other header manufactuers MIG weld headers is not just because MIG is cheaper but that it has a higher metal deposite rate which produces a larger, thicker and stronger bead than the tiny TIG weld beads on the Ebay headers. If you MIG weld the ebay headers they won't crack.
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The problem I see with the Ebay headers is the Welds themselves. They are TIG welded. The reason other header manufactuers MIG weld headers is not just because MIG is cheaper but that it has a higher metal deposite rate which produces a larger, thicker and stronger bead than the tiny TIG weld beads on the Ebay headers. If you MIG weld the ebay headers they won't crack.
Tbirds have problems with JBA headers doing the same thing,and they're 16ga tubing. We've tried MIG welding them to repair,and it cracks right near the welds again afterward. Tbirds don't see anywhere near the heat in the manifolds/headers as a truck does(esp the V10 that stays in stoich air/fuel all the time)-I just don't see "shorty" headers lasting for long term on a truck.
The fuel strategy on the V10 of stoich air fuel all the time is also a suspicion of mine as to why so many guys have problems with the studs breaking off. Excessive heat and expansion eventually deteriorates the studs to the point that they fail.
JL
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I'll argue with you on this.
Tbirds have problems with JBA headers doing the same thing,and they're 16ga tubing. We've tried MIG welding them to repair,and it cracks right near the welds again afterward. Tbirds don't see anywhere near the heat in the manifolds/headers as a truck does(esp the V10 that stays in stoich air/fuel all the time)-I just don't see "shorty" headers lasting for long term on a truck.
The fuel strategy on the V10 of stoich air fuel all the time is also a suspicion of mine as to why so many guys have problems with the studs breaking off. Excessive heat and expansion eventually deteriorates the studs to the point that they fail.
JL
Tbirds have problems with JBA headers doing the same thing,and they're 16ga tubing. We've tried MIG welding them to repair,and it cracks right near the welds again afterward. Tbirds don't see anywhere near the heat in the manifolds/headers as a truck does(esp the V10 that stays in stoich air/fuel all the time)-I just don't see "shorty" headers lasting for long term on a truck.
The fuel strategy on the V10 of stoich air fuel all the time is also a suspicion of mine as to why so many guys have problems with the studs breaking off. Excessive heat and expansion eventually deteriorates the studs to the point that they fail.
JL
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I agree,IMO-all truck headers should be at least 14 ga tubing. The problem on the shorties is the distance and size of the tube and expansion when hot with very little area to allow flex when expanding.
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All this talk of headers is very interesting but I have a question about the stock manifolds. If I were to just keep the stock manifolds what would be the best way to go, replace just the broken studs (so for I only have 1 broken) or replace studs with bolts? Thanks, John
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All this talk of headers is very interesting but I have a question about the stock manifolds. If I were to just keep the stock manifolds what would be the best way to go, replace just the broken studs (so for I only have 1 broken) or replace studs with bolts? Thanks, John
IMO...just go with replacing all the studs...with studs.
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