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The front bumpers all interchange 1964/79. However, the 1978/79's use different mounting brackets, look slightly different and have 1978 part numbers. The "High Boys" F250 4X4's use different bumper brackets than the other 1964/77 models.
There are three different styles of 1964/77 bumpers:
C4TZ-17757-C .. Painted Front Bumper ~ 1964/77
C4TZ-17757-D .. Chrome Front Bumper ~ 1964/77
D3TZ-17757-A .. Chrome Front Bumper with Horizontal Rubber Pads 1973/77
There are three different styles of 1964/77 bumpers:
C4TZ-17757-C .. Painted Front Bumper ~ 1964/77
C4TZ-17757-D .. Chrome Front Bumper ~ 1964/77
D3TZ-17757-A .. Chrome Front Bumper with Horizontal Rubber Pads 1973/77
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Time for my standard bumper rant...
All the reproduction bumpers are made in the later style, and the ends do not match the body contour on our trucks. They don't look horrible, but once you see the difference it will probably bug the heck out of you like it does me that the ends stick out from the body.
Not to mention that the quality of the repro bumpers is mediocre at best.
The best solution, IMO, is to buy a 'real' bumper and paint or rechrome it as needed. Twice the price of the Taiwan one, yes, but worth every penny to me.
All the reproduction bumpers are made in the later style, and the ends do not match the body contour on our trucks. They don't look horrible, but once you see the difference it will probably bug the heck out of you like it does me that the ends stick out from the body.
Not to mention that the quality of the repro bumpers is mediocre at best.
The best solution, IMO, is to buy a 'real' bumper and paint or rechrome it as needed. Twice the price of the Taiwan one, yes, but worth every penny to me.
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Californians are spoiled. Here we have 100's of these trucks in wrecking yards with nary a rust spot, going wanting. Nice sheet metal, nice chrome.
Would I use a Taiwanese bumper, or some other crappola from China?
Not a chance.
The OP is in New Mexico...I would think finding a decent 1964/77 bumper would be no problemo.
Would I use a Taiwanese bumper, or some other crappola from China?
Not a chance.
The OP is in New Mexico...I would think finding a decent 1964/77 bumper would be no problemo.
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
There are three different styles of 1964/77 bumpers:
C4TZ-17757-C .. Painted Front Bumper ~ 1964/77
C4TZ-17757-D .. Chrome Front Bumper ~ 1964/77
D3TZ-17757-A .. Chrome Front Bumper with Horizontal Rubber Pads 1973/77
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Nothing superceded at all.
C4TZ = 1964. The C4TZ bumpers were used straight through till 1978. There were NEVER any other front bumper part numbers 1964/77 besides what I typed above.
Ford partsman 1962/1997 / Seller of Ford NOS parts at swap meets 1966/now / Car & truck collector 1956/now / Grumpy, blunt, and opinionated old SOB since 1944!
Who knew back then that 40 years later, ppl would be so picky about how something might look. Ford wouldn't have changed a thing, anyway. Don't judge what was built then by what is built today. Gaps in panels, ill fitting trim, loose upholstery threads was the norm back then. Trucks were considered work vehicles, and were not manufactured for the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance.
C4TZ = 1964. The C4TZ bumpers were used straight through till 1978. There were NEVER any other front bumper part numbers 1964/77 besides what I typed above.
Ford partsman 1962/1997 / Seller of Ford NOS parts at swap meets 1966/now / Car & truck collector 1956/now / Grumpy, blunt, and opinionated old SOB since 1944!
Who knew back then that 40 years later, ppl would be so picky about how something might look. Ford wouldn't have changed a thing, anyway. Don't judge what was built then by what is built today. Gaps in panels, ill fitting trim, loose upholstery threads was the norm back then. Trucks were considered work vehicles, and were not manufactured for the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance.
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
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Trucks were considered work vehicles, and were not manufactured for the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance.
Trucks were considered work vehicles, and were not manufactured for the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance.
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Interesting.
I wish I had some pictures on file to show you the difference. Trust me, there is one.
I'm not talking about a 1960s fit problem (just look at the doors to see that), I'm referring to the bumpers being physically different and the ends not wrapping around the corners at the front. Instead, they are more straight and stick out, leaving an unsightly gap and a nice place to catch your shin if you aren't careful.
I studied this issue at shows for over a year before deciding to rechrome my bumpers so that my truck wouldn't have the goofy look. Probably wouldn't bother most, but it was an avoidable thing in my case and I knew it would irritate me forever if I used the 'wrong' version. Anyone who has seen my truck's paint condition will know that some things bother me, and others don't.
I wish I had some pictures on file to show you the difference. Trust me, there is one.
I'm not talking about a 1960s fit problem (just look at the doors to see that), I'm referring to the bumpers being physically different and the ends not wrapping around the corners at the front. Instead, they are more straight and stick out, leaving an unsightly gap and a nice place to catch your shin if you aren't careful.
I studied this issue at shows for over a year before deciding to rechrome my bumpers so that my truck wouldn't have the goofy look. Probably wouldn't bother most, but it was an avoidable thing in my case and I knew it would irritate me forever if I used the 'wrong' version. Anyone who has seen my truck's paint condition will know that some things bother me, and others don't.
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Originally Posted by ddavidv
Interesting.
I wish I had some pictures on file to show you the difference. Trust me, there is one.
I'm not talking about a 1960s fit problem (just look at the doors to see that), I'm referring to the bumpers being physically different and the ends not wrapping around the corners at the front. Instead, they are more straight and stick out, leaving an unsightly gap and a nice place to catch your shin if you aren't careful.
I studied this issue at shows for over a year before deciding to rechrome my bumpers so that my truck wouldn't have the goofy look. Probably wouldn't bother most, but it was an avoidable thing in my case and I knew it would irritate me forever if I used the 'wrong' version. Anyone who has seen my truck's paint condition will know that some things bother me, and others don't.
I wish I had some pictures on file to show you the difference. Trust me, there is one.
I'm not talking about a 1960s fit problem (just look at the doors to see that), I'm referring to the bumpers being physically different and the ends not wrapping around the corners at the front. Instead, they are more straight and stick out, leaving an unsightly gap and a nice place to catch your shin if you aren't careful.
I studied this issue at shows for over a year before deciding to rechrome my bumpers so that my truck wouldn't have the goofy look. Probably wouldn't bother most, but it was an avoidable thing in my case and I knew it would irritate me forever if I used the 'wrong' version. Anyone who has seen my truck's paint condition will know that some things bother me, and others don't.
Have you ever watched the process that is used to repair and rechrome front bumpers? Damaged bumpers that are V shaped are stretched out to straighten them. How long have you owned your truck? 5 years, 10, 20? What happened to the bumpers on your truck before you owned it? Are your current bumpers Genuine Ford Parts? Several companies made and sold replacement Ford bumpers back then.
Original bumpers wrapped around the corners. I suggest you do this: Get a copy of the Standard Catalog of Light Duty Ford Trucks ~ 1905-2002. ISBN: 0-87349-411-3 (krause.com) which has dozens of factory and current photos scattered throughout the pages. Compare what was used from 1964/77 with what you have. This book is a valuable reference, because all the accessories, production figures, paint codes, engine codes, historical data....ad nauseum is listed for each year.
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I agree with ddavidv,
There were two different bumper styles.
My bumper was factory black, like my grill, on a yellow truck (NC state truck)
Factory. Not only did this bumper wrap and fit like ddavidv says but it was taller also. By about an inch. Here is a link where this has been discussed before, I just gave up on it.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/5...nt-bumper.html
Ps. with my experience dealing with the Ford parts department at our local Ford dealership, Laying the part off the Crown Vic on the counter, and them telling me that the part number doesn't exist. I have to ask myself if the parts books are wrong sometimes. And I have various other examples. One is a Lincoln Town Car hydro-boost hose for the brakes that I was told that didnt exist. I was telling them the part number off the hose and they finally told me that is must be obsolete. This was at the Ford Dealership also!
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There were two different bumper styles.
My bumper was factory black, like my grill, on a yellow truck (NC state truck)
Factory. Not only did this bumper wrap and fit like ddavidv says but it was taller also. By about an inch. Here is a link where this has been discussed before, I just gave up on it.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/5...nt-bumper.html
Ps. with my experience dealing with the Ford parts department at our local Ford dealership, Laying the part off the Crown Vic on the counter, and them telling me that the part number doesn't exist. I have to ask myself if the parts books are wrong sometimes. And I have various other examples. One is a Lincoln Town Car hydro-boost hose for the brakes that I was told that didnt exist. I was telling them the part number off the hose and they finally told me that is must be obsolete. This was at the Ford Dealership also!
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Well Number Dummy, you did say you were stubborn... 
I'm not talking at all about rechromed bumpers. I'm talking strictly about taking a bumper from a 67- truck and bolting it to the front of a 64-66 truck, which I have done. I temporarily used one of these 'newer' bumpers while mine were at the chrome shop. An original bumper from Ford. Didn't match.
I've looked at dozens of trucks at shows and can spot the imposters quite easily.
Tom at Flashback F100's even notes it in his catalog that the replacement bumpers he sells will not be the same as the 64-66 bumper. However, they fit the 67- trucks perfectly.
Perhaps, since the difference was so subtle, Ford simply changed the stamping and kept the same p/n since they do technically fit either style truck. They probably figured nobody would notice (or care) since these are, after all, just trucks.
Edit: I just looked in Tom's 'catalog', and on P.5 he has photos of the two bumper end styles so you can see the difference. I can fax a copy to you if you want.
I'm not talking at all about rechromed bumpers. I'm talking strictly about taking a bumper from a 67- truck and bolting it to the front of a 64-66 truck, which I have done. I temporarily used one of these 'newer' bumpers while mine were at the chrome shop. An original bumper from Ford. Didn't match.
I've looked at dozens of trucks at shows and can spot the imposters quite easily.
Tom at Flashback F100's even notes it in his catalog that the replacement bumpers he sells will not be the same as the 64-66 bumper. However, they fit the 67- trucks perfectly.
Perhaps, since the difference was so subtle, Ford simply changed the stamping and kept the same p/n since they do technically fit either style truck. They probably figured nobody would notice (or care) since these are, after all, just trucks.
Edit: I just looked in Tom's 'catalog', and on P.5 he has photos of the two bumper end styles so you can see the difference. I can fax a copy to you if you want.
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