First off, the C4TZ-17757-C painted bumpers came primed. The ONLY bumper from this time frame that was painted black was the one used in 1978/79: D8TZ-17757-C, the parts catalog description reads: Painted low gloss black. The 1978/79 bumpers are a different shape than the ones used 1964/77. You can't compare the shape of a 78/79 bumper to the earlier ones...two different bumpers. What style bumpers are on your trucks 64/77 or 78/79? Are your bumpers Genuine Ford, or some aftermarket crappola? Replacement bumpers sold by J C Whitney and others have been available since the 1960's.



Second, do not compare with me with your local Ford partsman, cuz I ain't him. I not only worked for Ford dealers from 1962 thru 1997, but knew these trucks very well then and now. I've been a car collector since I was 12, and have personally owned nearly 100 Fords from 1939 thru 2004. I've written 100's of magazine articles for collector car magazines, and car club magazines on Fords and Packards = my real passion (besides Winchesters). I bought new a 1965 F100, a 1968 Ranger F250, a 1971 F100 Ranger XLT, and a 1979 Lariat. When I was working, I had a huge following of local old car owners (Los Angeles and SoCal area)..because I was one of only a very few partsmen to take the time and help ppl with these old Fords...the same thing I'm doing right here on FTE. The only difference? As a Ford partsman, I got paid, here you get the info free. I spent my own money buying new Ford microfiche slides, new parts catalogs, even a new puter to be able to do what I do here. Would your local Ford partsman do that? I think not. Most dealer personnel don't know diddly squat about old cars. Hell, they don't know SCHEISS about the new cars! Getting decent parts counter help today is in two words: Im Possible, cuz the passion is gone. No one gives a scheiss! Well, almost no one.



I know all about the Lincoln Town Car and Ford/Merc Hydro-Boost system, and the P/S hoses = use with hydroboost..didja know Granada/Monarch, Versailles, T-Bird/Mark III, IV and V had them also? BTW = The original FoMoCo power steering hoses are stamped with ID numbers on the metal ends. Those ID numbers are easily translated to actual part numbers using the correct parts catalog. This ID system has been in place since the 1960's. How come that brilliant Ford parts guy at your local dealership didn't know that?


You can argue bumpers with me till you are blue in the face, but so far..I believe I'm right. After all, I was there at the parts counter when these trucks were brand new, I bought them brand new, and if you look at my signature I still own the first one I bought brand new. I sell 1949/79 Ford NOS parts at swap meets, and hunt these parts down nationwide. Our trucks are 30-40 years old, unless you bought it new, how sure are you that what's on there today, was there when it was new? How sure are you that the parts are actually Genuine Ford Parts?



Yes, I'm stubborn, blunt and a mean old SOB. Working a back (shop) parts counter is not for the thin skinned. The mechanics will devour you very quickly! I apologize if I have offended anyone..but I'm passionate about these old Fords.

 

Okay, but you're still wrong about there being only one bumper.
No fax? I'll copy and mail the proof to you.
Not trying to prove what a genius I am, just hoping to get you to accept that there is a difference that may not be proved out by your microfiche, books, etc.
BTW, I was a parts guy for several car dealers over the years until I went into the insurance biz because car dealers suck, and the pay was never great. Never did it for Ford, but had a similar following as you as I became that "guy who could find anything" given enough time.

 

I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong.

Prove to me there are two front bumpers. Show me two new in the wrapper Ford bumpers from 1964/77 that are different, or two factory photos.

Pictures taken recently off some ppls trucks ain't proof, because who knows where those bumpers came from.

I retired because of illness in 1997. Through October 1997, my average monthly salary/commission was $6800.00 a month. I still have the check stubs, in case you think I'm BS'ing y'all.


You can email me off FTE.

 

DV and I have done the research on the 64 to 66 bumpers. The curve is more defined and there is no cutout at each corner on the lower flange. Although replacement bumber fits and can pass a 20 yard test, they are different. We have validated parts for our catalog for 30 years and researched NOS along with numerous bee stings and snakes while examing the history left for us in the salvage yards. Pictures are worth a thousand words sometimes and we are going by our eyes on physical parts. Please take it from the one who found the F100 XL after more than 33 years in hiding and original builder and driver 'Skinny' from DST in Dearborn Mi.

Thanks for reading,

Wayne

 

ddavid...I know the whole front bumper business as well as Ive talked to Bill about this...True...the 64-6 bumper LOOKS different then the 67-77 type...BUT...you gotta rememeber one thing...which if you think about the tailgate scanario, which Bill has also explained easily...the bumper is essentially the same issue...the part itself was superceded vs the p/n...the fit is not an issue at all...its cosmetic...
I too am a stickler for the correct piece...I actually FINALLY got a good OE piece after umpteen years of hunting...The one thing I definately do like alot better on the replacement bumper is it is a stucturally superior design...it doesnt bend when you look at it like the earlier ones did and do. But its not 'correct'...But in a pinch OR if Im gonna use the truck as a daily driver...Id MUCH rather use the replacement...if its hit...no problem to replace, plus harder to mess up.
Bill may be stubborn,as he has said, but he knows these old Fords...cars as well as trucks better then anyone Ive ever met or most likely will ever meet...Unless you have the parts books, as he and I do among a few others on here, you cant really say a heckuva lot as far as the p/n goes as many aftermarket suppliers Ive seen use their own p/n system. I strongly recomend everyone to get the parts manuals however you wish to have them, although the CD is easiest and lots cheaper.
As for Tom at Flashback F100s...he is also one who knows the trucks well and is a nice guy as well...I met him a couple of years ago.
Also, the book Bill referenced above is a great reference source indeed just as he mentioned...Ive had my beast for about 15 yrs or so and have had a few of these trucks, and I am still learning alot of new things or some things that I thought were so are being corrected. This is all beacause of FTE and BOOKS...and of course Bill...I never 2nd guess him...how on earth can you or anyone behind a parts counter today with few exceptions compete with one with as many years of experience as Bill has ?
Anyway, the front bumpers are the same as far as interchangability is 64-77 with the p/n Bill referenced.



- cs65

 

I got your back Bill!


very few times has he been wrong on things he post, and those few times he really isn't because he just doesn't have the newest info available to him and I try and fill in those rare gaps.

and he is **** as hell and will triple check himself when in question.

locator working again?

Ed

 

Whoa Nellie,

I've got a 70 and a 66 out in my yard right now...the part number may be the same...but there is a clear difference...The 70 is straight~ and the 66 is curved to "match"~ the countour the whatchamacallit stone guard...

The 66 bumper, as it wraps around the corner of the truck is shaped differently and the piece of metal, before it was stamped is clearly different..the very end...going do the side of the truck is rounded off back toward the front of the truck...whereas the 70 is more or less vertical.

Oh and do these trucks hava a patina? Yes.

TH1567
Go Stock or Go Home

 

OPEN MOUTH INSERT FOOT

Ok...I've got two 66s and a 70 out in the yard..all F250s on the 66 Dump Run Special...it's kinda too beat up to see real well..but on the passenger side...the bumper clearly follows the contour of the stone guard.

Now, I'll be perfectly willing to admit ...that old Dump Run Delight..it might a got hit just right to bend that bumper...but .....from the looks of it...I doubt it.

On my 66 Camper Special...that bumber does NOT follow the stone guard...when I go to look at my 70 F250...it's the same bumper as on the CS.... BUT on the 70..that stone guard has a shallower contour...which the the bumper follows quite nicely.

The 70 has NEVER been in any kind of accident which required new body parts...and it only has one dent of any significance on the bed...and the driver's side bumper is bent back a bit beyond the contour of the stone guard...Passenger side = PERFECT

I know for a certainty the 1966 CS was in pretty good collision at some point in its life...welded frame and other body line indicators tell the tell. SO, that bumper is at least SOME kind of replacement...

The CS is in way better shape than Dump Run and the 70 are right now...so there isn't a serious push in my mind to go out on a search for a "correct" bumper...

I'm all for leaving these vehicles as close to their original condition as is possible...within reason...

NumberDummy, I get the sense that you could give a damn about platitudes and compliments and all that hogwash ...

But gull durnit man...you are de best on these here motorized conveyances we all love and drive.

Verdict:
Part Number: SAME....Physical Shape: DIFFERENT

Rock on Red Rider...

TH1567

 

Hey, How did that get revived?


John

 

I had nothing to do with it...not a thing.

Ed: Locator is working again. A member from Chehalis is gonna call you for a front engine cover: D6AZ6B070A

 

I picked up a late 70’s used chrome bumper for $25, plan was to get it rechromed because it was straight and dent free. But when I bolted it up the difference on the ends was very noticeable in my opinion. So I’ll get the original painted bumper straighten out and chromed instead. Living in PA we don’t have the luxury of these old trucks sitting around rust free in bone yards - I envy you CA guys.

 

We had a 5.4 earthquake yesterday, the epicenter was 7 miles away from our house.

When these things occur, I envy you PA guys!

 

Over here in Hollister....we are having earthquakes every day...better that then not having them at all... Never feared an earthquake in my life...but in 1979 we weathered a Cat4 Hurricane....now that was fearsome...you didn't know for hours and hours whether or not something was going to come slicing through your house..

TH1567
Shake, rattle and roll.

 

come on Bill, any thing less then a six shouldn't even warrant getting out of bed. Has many as we have seen is SoCal. Thats just enough to get your drink shaken. lol

Ed

 

Ed, mi amigo...I was in bed...watching an old movie on TCM. Since the epicenter was less than 7 miles away...I wasn't in bed very long.

The house shook worse than it did during the Northridge quake.