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I believe the '07 Tundra is Mfg'd in their sparkling new facility in San Antonio. Didn't know there are two plants making them.
You mean in truck sales...yes?
Toyota is #3 in US sales and climbing.
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Toyota Tundra, what a joke.....
The 1st link below states, "Is Toyota's quality slipping?....the Japanese automaker...has become the recall king..." The 2nd link, "....we are now being invaded by japan (Toyota)....." Did they just say "Japanese" & "Japan"? The Toy is an Asian (import) market company because they are based out of Japan, period. Just because they have a couple US plants, it does not all of a sudden make them a Domestic company. I rest my case.
If some are so pro Toy, then why you get a Ford truck? Are you saying that you bought the Ford because it was inferrior? You say one thing but your purchase says another. Its a free country, if you want a Toy then get it, just dont try to rationalize your purchase.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/10/toyota_quality.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070227233717AAAXUpX
http://groups.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=groups.groupProfile&groupID=1 05659478&Mytoken=BF9C38F2-FA9E-4E94-B3D26A74C6D61DC634105595
If some are so pro Toy, then why you get a Ford truck? Are you saying that you bought the Ford because it was inferrior? You say one thing but your purchase says another. Its a free country, if you want a Toy then get it, just dont try to rationalize your purchase.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/10/toyota_quality.html
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070227233717AAAXUpX
http://groups.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=groups.groupProfile&groupID=1 05659478&Mytoken=BF9C38F2-FA9E-4E94-B3D26A74C6D61DC634105595
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Originally Posted by kw5413
I believe the '07 Tundra is Mfg'd in their sparkling new facility in San Antonio. Didn't know there are two plants making them.
You mean in truck sales...yes?
You mean in truck sales...yes?
The Tundra, Tacoma and Sienna are manufactured in Princeton Indiana. It's just down the road from where I used to live (and still have a house for sale). I think the Tundras are also made at the San Antonio plant.
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Just an FYI: There are more than a couple of Toyota plants currently operating the U.S.
June 25th 2007...Today, Toyota operates vehicle, engine and parts factories in eight states. Toyota’s most recent U.S. assembly plant is on the outskirts of Tupelo, a northeastern Mississippi town. The Tupelo plant, scheduled to start production in 2010, will be Toyota's eighth North American vehicle-assembly plant and the fourth new one it has authorized in the past five years. In Japan, most of Toyota’s factories are all in a single place: Toyota City.
June 25th 2007...Today, Toyota operates vehicle, engine and parts factories in eight states. Toyota’s most recent U.S. assembly plant is on the outskirts of Tupelo, a northeastern Mississippi town. The Tupelo plant, scheduled to start production in 2010, will be Toyota's eighth North American vehicle-assembly plant and the fourth new one it has authorized in the past five years. In Japan, most of Toyota’s factories are all in a single place: Toyota City.
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Only UP I can give toyota is in their service department..I bought a brand new celica GTS in 2001... My god I lost count of how many times it had to go back...Various issues... Anyway EVERY/ANY time the car was taken in they gave me a loaner car... The toyota policy is unless it can be fixed the same day they pay for the rental...The dealer I got mine at had an enterprise on site.. When I would go in for my free oil changes at lunchtime they would GIVE Me a rental to go out and eat while they got it done..
Ford on the other hand has a stance of "Hey buddy you should own 3-4 cars in case something like this happens"
Honestly thats the only real beef I have with ford.. IMHO when I buy a NEW car Im expecting to have something reliable that will get me back and forth without question..If NOT for whatever reason I expect them to get me something that will while they figure it out... For whatever reason ford makes it difficult..Basically they leave it up to the dealer.. When I had an overboost problem on my truck I was given a 1992 ford escort that barely ran and smelled awfull... When I got my toyota serviced>>Belt tensioner recall>> I was given a 2K1 totota 4-runner.. And did not have to gripe to get it..
Bottom line is all makes have issues from time to time.. Ive had Toyotas, chevrolets, nissans, hyundais.. all of them had issues here or there.. The difference is how your treated when getting it resolved..
Ford on the other hand has a stance of "Hey buddy you should own 3-4 cars in case something like this happens"
Honestly thats the only real beef I have with ford.. IMHO when I buy a NEW car Im expecting to have something reliable that will get me back and forth without question..If NOT for whatever reason I expect them to get me something that will while they figure it out... For whatever reason ford makes it difficult..Basically they leave it up to the dealer.. When I had an overboost problem on my truck I was given a 1992 ford escort that barely ran and smelled awfull... When I got my toyota serviced>>Belt tensioner recall>> I was given a 2K1 totota 4-runner.. And did not have to gripe to get it..
Bottom line is all makes have issues from time to time.. Ive had Toyotas, chevrolets, nissans, hyundais.. all of them had issues here or there.. The difference is how your treated when getting it resolved..
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Originally Posted by redford
The Tundra, Tacoma and Sienna are manufactured in Princeton Indiana. It's just down the road from where I used to live (and still have a house for sale). I think the Tundras are also made at the San Antonio plant.
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Originally Posted by redford
...Toyota is #3 in US sales and climbing...
Originally Posted by kw5413
You mean in truck sales...yes?
For the first 5 months in 2007, Ford sold 290,282 trucks and Toy sold 77,127 Tacomas & 61,113 Tundras.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkiRuzWE8Rg
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Originally Posted by DonJames
The 1st link below states, "Is Toyota's quality slipping?....the Japanese automaker...has become the recall king..." The 2nd link, "....we are now being invaded by japan
You also assume that I am pro-Toyota when I am not.
Simple fact of the matter is right now Toyota is looked at as a quality vehicle by most of the buying public in this country. It may or may not be true, since quality is a subjective measurement (you cannot measure or define what quality is) but if most of the public thinks it is true, then Ford, GM and Chryskler have a problem.
Yes, Toyota does have recalls, but consider this; Ford and IH knew they had problems with the early 6.0 PSD engines, the injectors, causing hydrolock and destroying engines. They did not recall the trucks to fix this problem. If you complained about it and your truck was under warranty then maybe they fixed it or maybe they blamed your mods and ignored you.
How would Toyota handle this? The early V-8 engines in the Tundras had a problem. Toyota recalled them all and replaced the engine, even if the customer did not have the problem.
This is why Toyota has a perception of being a builder of "quality" vehicles and this is why GN, Ford and Chrysler have a serous problem.
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This is really a post with no meaning, except that we as Americans have to realize that our domestic automakers have and are seeing financial instability. Also, a foreign automaker is the Worldest largest retailer of automobiles, and soon a foreign automaker will be the largest retailer of automobiles in America.
I hope that American citizens and business will not allow this to happen, but I am afraid that it is becoming inevitable.....
Will be intersting to see what company owns Ford and GM in 20 years...........
I don't say this as a trolling effort for rude comments, only as "food for thought" does anyone think it is possible if Ford continues to have finanacial woes that they might sell out to Toyota, or possibly another foreign auto manufacturer, then Toyota could slap their name on the Superduty trucks????
Man I hope not, but we see corporate mergers and buy-outs everyday and I am willing to bet these foreign companies have a "buy-out" on their mind.
ra
I hope that American citizens and business will not allow this to happen, but I am afraid that it is becoming inevitable.....
Will be intersting to see what company owns Ford and GM in 20 years...........
I don't say this as a trolling effort for rude comments, only as "food for thought" does anyone think it is possible if Ford continues to have finanacial woes that they might sell out to Toyota, or possibly another foreign auto manufacturer, then Toyota could slap their name on the Superduty trucks????
Man I hope not, but we see corporate mergers and buy-outs everyday and I am willing to bet these foreign companies have a "buy-out" on their mind.
ra
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Originally Posted by Kenwood
Anyway EVERY/ANY time the car was taken in they gave me a loaner car... The toyota policy is unless it can be fixed the same day they pay for the rental...The dealer I got mine at had an enterprise on site.. When I would go in for my free oil changes at lunchtime they would GIVE Me a rental to go out and eat while they got it done..
I always got a loaner from them whenever I had warranty stuff done on the 'bird, especially if it was going to take a few days.
ONCE I had to actually rent a car from them because they had no more "loaners" left (read: Kia teacups), and I got a Taurus for half-price.
Anyway, there ARE Ford dealers out there that do it...
I can't tell you how many times people in my extended family or friends brought their Toyota in over and over and over again. No loaners, no compassion, no nothing.
It's the dealers, not the manufacturers. If a Toyota dealer takes care of you, it's not Toyota as a whole. Likewise, if a Ford dealer mistreats you, it's not Ford Corporate's fault.
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Originally Posted by Riata_Ag
This is really a post with no meaning, except that we as Americans have to realize that our domestic automakers have and are seeing financial instability. Also, a foreign automaker is the Worldest largest retailer of automobiles, and soon a foreign automaker will be the largest retailer of automobiles in America.
I hope that American citizens and business will not allow this to happen, but I am afraid that it is becoming inevitable.....
Will be intersting to see what company owns Ford and GM in 20 years...........
I don't say this as a trolling effort for rude comments, only as "food for thought" does anyone think it is possible if Ford continues to have finanacial woes that they might sell out to Toyota, or possibly another foreign auto manufacturer, then Toyota could slap their name on the Superduty trucks????
Man I hope not, but we see corporate mergers and buy-outs everyday and I am willing to bet these foreign companies have a "buy-out" on their mind.
ra
I hope that American citizens and business will not allow this to happen, but I am afraid that it is becoming inevitable.....
Will be intersting to see what company owns Ford and GM in 20 years...........
I don't say this as a trolling effort for rude comments, only as "food for thought" does anyone think it is possible if Ford continues to have finanacial woes that they might sell out to Toyota, or possibly another foreign auto manufacturer, then Toyota could slap their name on the Superduty trucks????
Man I hope not, but we see corporate mergers and buy-outs everyday and I am willing to bet these foreign companies have a "buy-out" on their mind.
ra
The fault in the decline of the American Automotive industry is really due to one major issue. Pensions!!!!
The amount of money Ford and GM are pumping into Pensions is keeping them from pooring all that money into innovative R&D and development. Its not material costs or organizational structure which is at fault. Cause if that was the case, the Japanese would have the same issues in the US..
No-Thanks to the Unions, Ford/GM have turned into a piggybank for ex-workers to live their golden years off of. As a result, Toyota, Honda, etc can all out compete American Auto Makers because they aren't saddled with writing checks to workers who retired in 1990.
But don't worry.. America will be back.. Our declining dollar's purchasing power will make foreign goods expensive and American goods cheap. So everybody will be snatching up Fords and GMs who live outside the US.. Of course, Americans being able to afford our own vehicles might be another story.. lol
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There is no one single cause of American Automotive decline. If there was a pinpoint cause, every manufacturer would get rid of it. Besides, some Toyotas are built in Union facilities (Corolla and Tacoma) http://www.uaw.org/uawmade/auto/2007/index.cfm
I'm a union employee (IBEW), I contribute to a pension fund, a 401k, and a company reitrement option, none of which are dragging my company down. The cost of deregulation is though...
I'm a union employee (IBEW), I contribute to a pension fund, a 401k, and a company reitrement option, none of which are dragging my company down. The cost of deregulation is though...
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Originally Posted by fs2000
Well i never really posted much here but i thought i would share my problems i had with my o4 lariat crew cab. when i bought it i was in love with it as it had the 6.0 diesel. then i fell out of love at 35k when i needed a new egr valve.but before that i had misc problems like a leaky transmission and other non running items like a stuck door handle and screwy backup sensors. but to go back to the problem. I replaced the egr valve under warranty the first time. the dealer asked if i had used any additives and i told him about every other tank full, dealer says use it every tank full and you should'nt have a problem well 14k later i'm left stranded.now stranded out of town 2x and i had to pay out of pocket for another egr valve. well 1k later driving up in the woods with the so called updated egr.it starts to puke out on me i limped it back but have decided that 3 times a charm. I was told this will be the last truck you will ever need to own. they were wrong.
as soon as i got back into town from my so called vacation i drove the pos right into Toyota and yes i know i will get bashed for it but i owned 2 before the ford.a tacoma and a tundra so now i bought a new tundra the 07 model.
I guess my point is to say that ford really doesn't have it together when it comes to the diesel motors at least not the new ones. I know that what i bought won't tow huge amounts of weight but hey all it has to do is get me from point a to point b withought getting me stuck.
nothing like being on the way to hurricane ridge half way up with nothing in sight for miles and no cell service. just loved that one. so now i'm a very happy owner of a new tundra limited and with 0% for 60 months I took a little hit on trading it in but hey not like the one i would have taken when the turbo or something else puked out on it.
this is just my experience i know other have had great luck with the ones they bought but hey I gave Ford a try and now i know i won't be buying another one.
as soon as i got back into town from my so called vacation i drove the pos right into Toyota and yes i know i will get bashed for it but i owned 2 before the ford.a tacoma and a tundra so now i bought a new tundra the 07 model.
I guess my point is to say that ford really doesn't have it together when it comes to the diesel motors at least not the new ones. I know that what i bought won't tow huge amounts of weight but hey all it has to do is get me from point a to point b withought getting me stuck.
nothing like being on the way to hurricane ridge half way up with nothing in sight for miles and no cell service. just loved that one. so now i'm a very happy owner of a new tundra limited and with 0% for 60 months I took a little hit on trading it in but hey not like the one i would have taken when the turbo or something else puked out on it.
this is just my experience i know other have had great luck with the ones they bought but hey I gave Ford a try and now i know i won't be buying another one.
Hate to bring this back to the original post, but wth....
Sorry about your luck.
I drove a 99 flatbed 7.3 for 270,000 miles before we sold it to this Mexican fella who is still driving it with 450,000 miles...I saw him and the truck just the other day ....The damned steel bed is gonna rust off before my old red truck quits going.
Sold the 99 and bought a brand new 04 w/ a 6.0 and an aluminum bed in Feb of 2004...
Truck ran great untill totalled(w/ me in it) in December of 04...
49,000 in 10 months towing almost everyday..... There were a few trips to service for some BS updates and such... But nothing major.
Theres a bad apple in evey bunch
3 egrs... something is causing that... You should have found a more competent dealer.
Enjoy your new truck..... Ill bet its picked up by a Superduty whenever it does breaks down
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I've owned everything but a chevy. Loved my Tacoma, but could never go back to smaller truck. We run only Fords in our company, mostly F250 gas trucks. We have had great luck. I owned a 99 F350 that ran perfect for a 100,000 miles. Last July bought an 06 F250 thought it was my dream truck, but have a ton of little annoying problems been in the shop about every month. I have 18,000 miles on it. New fuel pump, brake components, power steering pump, all new a/c compressor and condensor, all new bushings on the front end and just took it back today for a new vacuum pump. I still love ford and would buy again but hate this truck I think I just got a Lemon
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you missed the point or maybe I explained it badly.. TOYOTA MFGR>>>POLICY is you will never be out of a car more than 1 day.. thats written in the warranty.. After the first day TOYOTA WILL PAY FOR YOU TO HAVE TRANSPORTATION.. FORD says its up to the dealer.. So while there are dealers that do have the same serviece like a rental place at the dealer..not all of them HAVE TO..Its up to you to find the dealer that does.. In my toyota example the dealer I went to went above and beyond by giving you the first day free.. part of doing business with them>>Your right there that was dealer not Toyota.. But day 2 + was always paid for by toyota..
as far as union arguments above.. Ill Ill say is unions had a time and place.. You need a DeLorean with a flux capacitor to find that time/place. I dont even want to get into this discussion..
as far as union arguments above.. Ill Ill say is unions had a time and place.. You need a DeLorean with a flux capacitor to find that time/place. I dont even want to get into this discussion..
Originally Posted by krewat
The Ford dealer I bought my '96 t-bird 4.6L from had/has a rental enterprise on-site.
I always got a loaner from them whenever I had warranty stuff done on the 'bird, especially if it was going to take a few days.
ONCE I had to actually rent a car from them because they had no more "loaners" left (read: Kia teacups), and I got a Taurus for half-price.
Anyway, there ARE Ford dealers out there that do it...
I can't tell you how many times people in my extended family or friends brought their Toyota in over and over and over again. No loaners, no compassion, no nothing.
It's the dealers, not the manufacturers. If a Toyota dealer takes care of you, it's not Toyota as a whole. Likewise, if a Ford dealer mistreats you, it's not Ford Corporate's fault.
I always got a loaner from them whenever I had warranty stuff done on the 'bird, especially if it was going to take a few days.
ONCE I had to actually rent a car from them because they had no more "loaners" left (read: Kia teacups), and I got a Taurus for half-price.
Anyway, there ARE Ford dealers out there that do it...
I can't tell you how many times people in my extended family or friends brought their Toyota in over and over and over again. No loaners, no compassion, no nothing.
It's the dealers, not the manufacturers. If a Toyota dealer takes care of you, it's not Toyota as a whole. Likewise, if a Ford dealer mistreats you, it's not Ford Corporate's fault.