boy this topic stoped suddenly,
but I did read the paper with the chip,
it says right on thr top that custom programs are NOT CARB approved
I also did read that it is protected under the mm act for what that is worth
still IF my truck goes to service there will be no chip in it and I will deny it all

Ken, glad to see ya at www.ford-diesel.com
there is alot of useful info there
that is you isnt it??
if not please edit and correct this post

 

>boy this topic stoped suddenly,
>but I did read the paper with the chip,
>it says right on thr top that custom programs are NOT CARB
>approved

Custom programs, correct. Superchips programmed for stock applications are CARB approved. Diablo isn't (yet) but is working on it. Shouldn't be a problem in 49 states.

>I also did read that it is protected under the mm act for
>what that is worth
>still IF my truck goes to service there will be no chip in
>it and I will deny it all
>
>Ken, glad to see ya at www.ford-diesel.com

You didn't see me there. Why would I post on another Ford truck site? This one has everything I need. Besides, this site is my business, and I don't want to participate on another business's site. Jason (F-D.com), Steve (F150 Online) and I have passed emails and we're friendly but we generally don't post on each other's sites.

>there is alot of useful info there

Ditto here.

>that is you isnt it??

No

 

I was just wondering we had a new member named ken payne

 

>I posted what I was told by two Ford dealers, the Federal
>Trade Commission, and the Ford Consumer Hotline. I am not a
>dolt, a liar or a troublemaker. I have no vested interest in
>this issue other than there's two sides to every story. You
>on the other hand do i.e. you sell chips. It is not a
>service bulletin. It is a letter Ford sent out (no I was not
>shown the letter) supposedly to dealerships nationwide. It
>specifically refers to chips and/or blowers. If opposing
>points of view are censored routinely, your validity is even
>more suspect. Danny is hell-bent on proving me wrong when I
>don't claim to be right. Use "common sense" on
>superchargers? "Common sense" told me it would void the
>warranty because it has the "potential" to do damage to the
>engine...so does a chip. I, therefore asked before I bought.
>The answer, several times from different people was NO.
>I guess believing that is no different than Danny
>"insisting" we believe him.
>
>If you're going to deny me the right to respond then I
>suggest your civilty is no greater. Pissed off doesn't cover
>why I posted more than one thread. If you noticed, they were
>all directed at guys buying new trucks.
>
>This will be kept to this thread only. If you're going to
>deny me my right to post as a member I think you could have
>e-mailed your impromptu policy and advised me of the "spam"
>factor. The decision to continue would have then been my own
>undoing.



Hec183 , I would submit that MAYBE , you caved in too easy . I would not have let my dealer push me off that easily , and would have made them prove that the chip caused the problem .

For the record , I have a 2002 Ford F-250 5.4 SC Lariat , and the dealer told me the chip would not void the warranty . Only something directly related to the chip doing damage would do that AND they would not cover the chip itself nor any other mods I made (i.e. lift kit , aftermarket exhaust , air intake , etc .)

The head service Tech I spoke with was very interested in how well it worked , but never showed any concern about it doing damage .

Petre

 

I FIND IT TRAGIC THAT YOU BASH THESE PEOPLE WHO MAKE PERFORMANCE POSSIBLE.YOU PUT A BLOWER,EXHAUST,CHIP ETC ON YOUR TRUCK AND ASSUME THAT AFTER YOU FLOG OR PULL THE CRAPP OUT OF IT THAT SOMEONE ELSE SHOULD PAY FOR IT.I CAN''''T AND WON'T SAY WHETHER YOU WERE TOLD IT WOULD VOID A WARRANTY OR NOT.BUT YOUR EXPECTATIONS SEEM UNREASONABLE. IF YOU WANTED A F------ RACE CAR OR SOMETHING LIKE IT.YOU SHOULD HAVE BUILT ONE & NOT BOUGHT A PRODUCTION MODEL TRUCK THAT WAS BUILT FOR ANOTHER PURPOSE.OH YEA YOU SHOULD ALSO BE A WRENCH IF YOU DO THIS THING TO A VEHICLE.BECAUSE IT'LL SAVE YOU IN THE END OR DID I MISS THE PART ABOUT YOU BEING A RICH OBNOXIOUS ***** USED TO GETTING YOUR WAY??????YOU'VE HEARD THE SAYING "YOU GOTTA PAY TO PLAY" STROLLER :-X11

 

While I don't disagree about flogging a vehicle (I once trashed a perfectly good van) please don't engage in name-calling. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

Thanks.....

 

26 years of selling and changing fords...

if ya change it and it breaks because you do...that part that broke ain't gonna be fixed by ford.....

If you put in an aftermarket radio and your transmission goes out...the installation of the radio doesn't void the warranty on your transmission....

On a personal note....I have always liked Missouri.....

"Show me"

I am not interested in what you heard, thought should be, wanted or wished for....I am only interested in what is...in the case of a warranty.....its what is written. written.

show me

.........and so it goes

 

A Ford dealer told my friend that they had to change the fuel filter because his K&N filter doesn't filter well (they also sold him a paper filter). I always thought that K&Ns were pretty good filters plus I don't see how it'll affect the fuel filter but since it's from the dealer's mouth, it must be true, right?

 

Eric: I agree with your thoughts on, if you want something to flog, buy a race car. I did just that, bought a 2001 Cobra, a race car with warranty. Let me tell you about the "SVT Experience". I have had holy hell getting this thing repaired at 3 different Ford Dealers. The first, a local dealer, Shetler Ford in Sulphur, La., flat refused to work on it. Said he doesn't work on SVT's. The second, Orange Ford, in Orange, Texas, said it may be a problem since the car only had 12,000 miles and already had a new set of tires on it???? I only wanted to get rid of the Goodrich junk that came on the car. The third, Bolton Ford, in Lake Charles, La., is currently giving me a raft of xxxx, refused to work on the rear end, after I offered to pay, since the car has "Ford Racing" gears installed, they are not the original gear ratio. My attorney has managed to get Bolton to repair a broken tranny, there is a TSB on the shifting forks.
So, you have now heard straight from the horse's mouth, someone that invoked the use of the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act. It is a valid law, not some shop manager's rule. IT WORKS!!! As it was intended. After my attorney sat with the Service Manager and the business owner, and read him the LAW, their shop rules really did not seem to matter much. Moral of this story is that the MM Law works, I know, I used it!!!!I will not hesitate to have my attorney assist in getting Ford to warranty their products in the future. As my attorney told them, "When we are done, you will pay to have his car repaired, and pay my fees"! My car is now repaired!!!!
Any other questions.
P.S. Read the list of "Aftermarket Parts".
2001 Cobra
Diablo Custom Programmed Chip
Basanni X-Pipe
Basanni Cat-Back System
Pro-Flo Mass Air Meter
Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
3:73 Gears
Quik-Trip Shift light---set at 6500 rpm
Griggs Aluminum Drive Shaft
PHP IRS Brace
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?????

 

I understand the premise of the MM Act protecting your "Whole Vehicle" warranty, however your dealer could easily make a case against specific coverage for malfunctions related to an aftermarket chip installation. Your vehicle warranty will not be voided, but a specific item may not be covered if they can relate it's failure to your chip...(i.e. an internal engine failure because you elected to run non-premium gas in it, etc...)

One question I haven't seen addressed: What about chip inputs to the automatic transmission? As far as I am concerned, automatic transmissions are filled with "magic" on the inside. I don't know what the stock line pressures are or what the maximum line pressure should be, but most chips alter the shift pattern and increase line pressures within the transmission. That is a given... I could easily see this opening a big can of worms if you have any type of internal transmission failure which "could" be associated with these changes. Repairs for seal damage or even internal parts wear which may not have happened if the pressures and shift patterns were stock could come out of your pocket.

The decision is with the consumer... Do you want or need increased performance at the possible risk of lost warranty coverage? There are no givens... Each dealer will tackle the coverage differently. Just because one dealer elects to covers work under warranty does not mean the next one will not be able to legally denied it.

Bottom Line: I needed more power in my F250 than the V8 could give me, so I got the V10. The PSD didn't fit my needs, so I spent that extra $4,200 on beer. My V10 does everything I need it to do and if I get a bigger trailer I will get a bigger truck. Some of you will want that extra performance a chip can offer, so knock yourself out. Decisions... Decisions...



Edmo

 

Chip mods for automatic transmissions often 'firm up' the shifts. If this is done by reducing the shift retard timing in the ECM, it could be expensive. This retard is added by Ford to reduce the maximum torque load on the transmission. It basically retards the timing briefly while the transmission shifts and then advances the timing back again. Decreasing the shift retard timing may shorten your transmission life.

Just my two cents,
John

 

I just put my new Diablo 54 HP in my PSD then called my salesman whom I have known since Army days and asked him about warranty and here is what he said. NO it dosen't void warranty in any way and his dealership would never question it when I bring it in for service or problems. He said MOST others would not either BUT there are some that simply want to ramrod you into believing you have to pay. He said that if you break down somewhere take it out and take it in. Its really not this big of a deal. And when someone starts ranting in an arguative manner it accomplishes nothing. Ken has handled it well but I see the edges getting raveled as it never seems to satisfy this guy who is POed about his warranty. Good job Ken I am glad you are the host....

 

I think Danny said it best....

Most aftermarket performance items do not cause repair problems. ABUSE of your vehicle, with or without the items, can and does. With more horse power its easier to abuse your truck.

Does a chip make it easier to tow what your truck is already rated to tow? Definitely. Does a tow chip give better mileage. Almost always.

Does a chip mean the towing capacity of your truck is higher? NO. In order to do that you need to address the entire drive-train/suspension system.