Did I strike a nerve or is it some of you folks here are a bit sensitive about your beloved na$car!?! Sheesh!! What, God forbid anyone says anything negative about your cherished na$car!?!

Are you now trying to convince me that Roush isn't up to the challenge in gmna$car due to his large payroll vs hms' smaller unhappy payroll? You've lost me in your line of thought!

I never stated more was better or worse, but Roush surely didn't get that large with a losing attitude, or did he, you tell me?

As for my choice of devoted as a word to sum it up, what's the problem with that summarization? Okay, I read "Hendrix has a different corporate mentality and different cooperate culture then the other guys,..."

How do you mean then? Better yet, how do you know they have a "different corporate mentality" than does Roush?

If you were to sum up your statement in one word what would it be?

Ease up!

 

If you can't see it's gmna$car by watching the shivymercial every weekend you won't ever see it. Seems I've stepped on some toes here in this thread with my dissatisfaction with the pro-quo in gmna$car's phony world. So sorry!

Tell us, how does shivy sound on a message board?

For what it worth genious, this "genius" picks the biff to pull of a win at sonoma.

 

Maybe it's time for one of the ringers to make a showing.

My emotional pick is Boris Said in a Simo prepped Ford, but Ron Fellows is tough, driving the 96 DLP car.

And I see Butch Leitzinger is in a BDR car and Brian Simo are running. And from the European Touring Car series, GT Trans AM and ALMS, Klaus Graf.

Lots of ringers ...

But, Gordon and Stewart are tough on the twisties. Jr. will finish mid pack ... again.

3 NASCAR races I watch ... Daytona #1 because it's all that's on and then Sanoma and Watkins Glen

 

It is well known on this site/forum that I have a HUGE dislike for NASCAR, most will even say hate, so did you strike a never NO you do not…. read what I type, if you would you would respond to what I said not read into what I typed.

Where did I say he is not up to the challenge, respond to what I type not what you think I type. ...you know I am not busting your chops here.
Good point.. you typed.... "Roush has 2000 employees and IS thee most valuable org in the circus, compared to hms having 500 employees" you think more is automatically better. your own words. Maybe he is just throwing bodies at it, thinking the more you have the better chance you have.

You summarization is fine, it is just not based on fact.... it is based on emotion.

How well is Roush doing at winning?
...huh....

 

Gee, he hates Nascar? That's a stretch. ( but admits he still watches it anyway)

That too, would be impossible. There is no way he can bring gmna$car into his explaination. Well he could and probably would but that would entail an offtopic answer.

Please don't confuse him with his own statements.

Agreed. It is getting quite old on how it is thought that he has hit a "nerve" when all we are doing is questioning his "opinion"

Ease up?


I'm interested to read the answer he finds for this. Oh wait, let my try.

"It's gmna$car holding Ford/Roush back. They only let the Ford, Dodges and Toyotas run on 7 cylinders so Shivy can win. It's because secretly Shivy owns Nascar and are planning on ruling the world! Every Shivy driver is an evil robot sent to brainwash us!"

The odd thing is, FFlow has yet to start a thread topic on his OWN about his conspiracy theory.

Who knows, it's pretty funny though.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19363091/

he signed on with sony for sonsership next season, possibly no more bud for jr.

 

Now you be funny ...I will sometimes watch the road courses but never the ovel stuff tooo boring, round and round and round and ....

IMO Jr does not want Bud...he wants an ALL new start, for that I agree 100% with him get rid of all the old ways...EVERYTHING....

 

I would love to see Fellows win seeing he is a "fellow" Canadian and all. I remember watching when he still raced Camaro's ( I can't remember the series for the life of me ) in Canada. (1990's)

Anyone of the ringers would work for me though. Somebody different.

 

I think JR should keep Bud and Kellogs as sponsers. He would really appeal to the "college crowd".

Cereal and beer, breakfast of champions!

 

I know most will cringe when I say this…hope he gets a new number also…

 

I think the sponsership is still unclear. ( as the title indicates unless I'm missing something) He would just be a spokesman.

I agree with you guys on the ditching of Budweiser. New start is good.

 

Gordon and Johson BOTH caught cheating!! junior will fit right in!!

 

As far as I know, Roush has MANY other ventures besides NASCAR....from pedaling parts for Mustangs, to building Camaros for Hollywood movies. (probably uses a few of those employees to keep his airplanes serviced)

I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying Roush does NOT have 2,000 empoyees dedicated to NASCAR.

Like already stated:

1) GM supports their team(s) better......why else would Roush "need" a business partner?
Even Robert Yates was contemplating leaving untill Ford stepped up. (Read he was considering Toy!!!)

2) Jr. is a competent driver......even with the most prepared team working for him, he'll still willl never be as successful as his team mates or his over-hyped dad.

3) The moronic conspiracy theories make no common or fiscal sense. To even think that Roush would not scream bloody murder if he thought there was any favoritism toward GM is idiotic....especially given how he cried when Toy was allowed in.

4) Ford would not be doing as well in Bush or Toy in trucks if their was any validity to the GM favoritism BS.

 

Ya think....


But they are from the heart....

 

My point wasn't so much about the amount of employees he has, but more about the resources he has available and the competitive nature they all surely have to have built such a large company.

I aquired the info to dispute whoever's "moronic" idea that he and his employee's somehow just happened to miss the boat in gmna$car testing for the irocot. Add to that that many shivy org/teams skirted the off-season rules about testing this car by using different brands of tires, logging 100's if not 1000's of miles. If it had been Ford who would have done this I don't doubt for one minute that gmna$car would be on them like white on rice.

That "moronic" statement of yours obviously failed to take into acct the "unprecedented" testing farce where gm teams/org's were given "two chances" to best the field, not just achieve parity, in testing in fall of 05 for the 06 and 07 season. The proof is in the 06/07 seasons, easy enough to see, but, who knows, maybe shivy's 20 win's, Ford's 3, dodges 0, and toys 0, for the 07 season is gmna$car's idea of this SUPPOSED parity.

How so does gm support their teams better than any other make? How do you know of this for sure? If that's the case, why did they need two chances at testing in 05 for these seasons?

As for owners seeking business partners, maybe you ought to do a little research before spouting as there are many owners seeking the very same as its getting quite expensive to run in gmna$car, and here I thought one of the supposed fruits for gmna$car going to the non-stock-irocot car was to cut costs so that more organization's would be able to afford to compete in this exclusive shivy series. phhht

No more so than the moronic lemmings following a "obviously" bowtie biased series and calling/thinking it's somehow legit.

Actually, I think it's more like Roush has learned over his many years in this farce that crying like shivy and rcr and hms and gibb's, etc. isn't going to work, after all it falls on deaf ears as I've never seen Roush get a break in gmna$car ever, certainly not when compared to the endless amounts gm has gotten. I've lost count!

Please enighten us, what breaks have Ford or Roush gotten from gmna$car over the years when compared to gm? As well, maybe you could spell out or ignore all the breaks, gray areas, non-point penalties "just" hms has gotten just in the past two or so years?

Why's that? What's similar between the series other than they're gmna$car sanctioned?