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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 07:48 PM
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chips and turbos

alright i am new here and i've been browsing way back into the forums, i am a former ford diesel tech so i've got plenty of knowledge on the truck, most of my mods are homemade, but i hear lots of good things about tony wildman chips, but i also here you can only get 80 horses out of his chips on stock injectors. is this true? also my turbo is due for replacement, what is the best route, i read that the e-series off99 ups are direct bolt ons, are they better than the aftermarket deals? if not whats the best turbo for my set-up? hmmm guess i should tell you what i'm running first--- currently i am running a 1705 from superchips (i think its rated at 70 or 80), a "homemade" intercooler(its huge) bone stock engine, 80 psi fuel, 6-7k icp mod 3inch down 4in out exhaust and the napa special airfilter kit, the truck runs good for what it is. i have 6 inches of lift and 35's on it, even with the wasted turbo i walk all over 6.0's unless they are all fixed up then its a new game, i want to put a stop to that but i'd rather not replace the injectors, what are my other options, by the way the trucks got 225k on her but dont let that fool you she runs as new
 
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 08:26 PM
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First off welcome to FTE. you will learn alot here! I have. Also I will say this up front. I don't buy your line about walking on 6.0. our trucks need alot more than a 1705 programmer to make that happen. It just don't work that way.


Now to your questions. Yes it is true that with stock injectors you can only seearound a 70hp gain no matter what you put on it. The stock injectors just can't move enough fuel. Tony has the best programming for our trucks. Also Dp-tuner is very good. For Turbo's the Dominator 66 (D66) is the best (only) bolt in turbo other than a completely stock turbo. It can be seen here-http://www.beansdieselperformance.com/94-97turbo.htm

None of the 99 and newer turbo's including the van turbo are bolt up to our truck with out changing the 1 manifold, up pipes, pedestal, turbo, downpipe, and intake y-pipe.

I think that answered all your questions. Feel free to ask more and we will be glad to help out. Welcome to FTE once again
 
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 08:45 PM
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i have lined up to many 6.0's no lie the most recent was an 06 crew cab long bed, it is bone stock, i put 4 trucks on him by the time i hit od, but no matter what i race they all start to catch up in od, most start comin up in 3rd, but 1st and 2nd are incredible in the truck even on the damaged turbo, i have no reason to make it up, why should i?i havent met a stock 6.0 i couldnt eat, the chipped trucks i cant hang with they eat me up in 3rd. i have run 2 trucks with the banks 6 gun and speed loaders installed, 1st gear i held my own 2nd they crept away, 3rd they walked all over me.
again i am not here to start a fight but believe me or not its no lie, anyone that lives near me is more than welcome to come for a ride.
tj i do agree that the 1705 is junk i am glad i got it on ebay for 140 bucks, i would have been really pissed off if i spent the 400 advertised what a joke it is, but the money is spent so i run it while i got it,
the van turbo shares our non wastegated housing, i've replaced many in my dealer days and have pondered the idea of changing my inlet pipes to accomodate it, my y-pipe will bolt up to the early 99's as i have the intercooled turbo out pipe from ford included in my set up, how much does the other one you mentioned cost?
how much difference did the 120v upgarde make? is it worth the time?
and what is "map reg" and "frantz bypass"?
wow your truck is heavy, mine was 7000 on the nose but i only had a half tank, i'm not sure how much my box weighs though
 
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 08:57 PM
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durr i went to the site for prices, i like the deal on the d66 its on the wish list, but the stage 1's are more affordable then i anticipated, a new set from for will set one back an easy 2500, so i ask, new stage ones at 1700 or remaned at 800?
 
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 09:10 PM
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Unless you have a code reader at home keep that 1705 around just to pull codes even after you get a real chip! As far as the Van turbo I think its very close to out trubo's stock. You can ask Barebackjake as I think he just put one on. Its been awhile since I had my hands on a van turbo to remember the housing sizes. The D66 is a $1250 item! not cheap! If you would like to keep the stock turbo you need to talk to this guy
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/94-97...QQcmdZViewItem

His name is Ron Holland. I bought my turbo form him when I destroyed it and he is very knowledge and very easy to work with. He's got 2600 100% postive feedback! that doesn't come easy!

The 120 volt IDM doesn't make a big difference. The previous owner put it in but I did run one in my 95. Maybe a hair better throttle response. The higher voltage helpt he injectors respond a bit faster. There is an IDM mod that can be done to pump the voltage to 140volts and some report a noticeable increase.

The MAP regulator is a mini air pressure regulator mounting in the MAP sensor line to never allow the MAP sensor to see more than 24 PSI boost as it gets confused at levels above that sometimes.

Frantx bypass is a bypass oil filter to super clean my oil. Stock oil filter only filter to 20 microns. With an added bypass filter you can see sub micronic filtering depending on your choice of filters. Check out the "truck PIcs" link in my signature to see the pics and descriptions of some of my mods.

And as far as my trucks wieght it is heavy but I come in at 275, the tool box is jamb packed with fluids.tool. straps and other stuff. plus 2 car seats for the kids and all that junk!
 
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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For injectors go here! much better especially for US do it yourselfers!
http://www.diy-injectors.com/
 
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 09:35 PM
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yeah but their equal to the stage ones are the same price as the remans from the other link, i've seen rons page on ebay and was hesitant due to the fact that a perfomance turbo is only 500 bucks, but if everyone is using him then i feel i may be on that route now
 
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 09:37 PM
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sorry, the turbo listed in the ebay link, is that a stock replacement or an upgrade? whats the equivilant to it if its an upgrade?
 
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Old Jun 3, 2007 | 10:58 PM
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yeah ive got the van turbo on my truck and love it. the biggest reason i did it was to get the newer style in there so eventually i can go to a turbonetics ball bearing. the van turbos are a 1.0compressor with a 1.15exhaust but it does flow more air than the stocker.

ive got a set of single shot converted ad's in the truck with tony's programming. im lookin at some larger injectors since i need to put orings in.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by c00nhunterjoe
yeah but their equal to the stage ones are the same price as the remans from the other link, i've seen rons page on ebay and was hesitant due to the fact that a perfomance turbo is only 500 bucks, but if everyone is using him then i feel i may be on that route now
Beans reman stage 1's are $875 and DIY's stage 1's are under $400. Not sure what you mean about the same price?

Yes the Turbo I link is a stock unit. He does offer a few other that have different exhaust housings one them. The .84 housing is good for stock injectors. The 1.0 is for stock injectors and maybe stage 1's, and the stock housing is needed for stage 1's and higher. The smaller housing creates less turbo lag.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 10:08 AM
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i must have saw the wrong price on the injectors, as for the turbos, do the smaller housings give you more power as well or just lose the lag? stock on our trucks is 1.15?
also what is the compressor side rated as? better yet what is the best choice for my set-up, i may go with the stage ones in the near future but the rest of the truck should stay as is.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 10:43 AM
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if your going to go with stage 1's soon then the stock 1.15 exhuast housing is good. I believe the intake side is 1.10.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 05:36 PM
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if the stock turbo is good enough then why do people change them? what happens if i buy the stage 2's and run the .84 housing? overboost? or spin the turbo apart? or both?..lol
 
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 06:33 PM
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the 84 wont have enough air to burn all the fuel the 2's will dump and you would end up overboosting the turbo as the rpm range gets up there. the .84 is good for stock injectors. 130-160 stock nozzle 1.0 anything larger needs the 1.15 or custom turbo. the smaller housings make the tubo spool faster and come to max usuable boost faster. i ran a 1.0 with 130's for a long time and loved it. ive got that housing sitting in the shop now though since the van turbo is on the truck.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 07:34 PM
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sorry i meant the stage ones but either way it makes sense, so i am better off putting a stock replacment form the guy off ebay if i plan on getting the stage 1's?
 
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