Ok,I thought this would be a good thread to get everybodys thoughts about what can be,or should be done about these nightmares.Please,no politics,or bashing.
I was just sitting here thinking about it,and what could be done to stop these terrible crimes against our children.This crap never happened when I was young,heck if you even thought about taking a gun to school Dad would have taken you out behind the woodshed.But times have changed.And for the worse I might add.So,what do we as parents do?Make our children wear bullet proof vests to school?I mean,its not like we could arm them,could you imagine what a mistake that would be?I thought they were on to something when they started putting metal detectors at the entrances,(Im not sure if they had them at Virginia Tech)but it seems like we as a society are getting to the point where we will have to treat our schools like we do prisons.Everyone has to use one entrance,through a metal detector, and nobody goes in or out without supervision.Sounds kinda scary to me,but if it stops this stuff from happening it would be worth it.So whats your thoughts?

 

only have one thing to say and that's cause it works here in Canada "Gun Control"




jim

 

NOT try to start argument,,,,What are the numbers as far as Canada VS US on deaths with fire arms. Is Canada so much lower with gun control?

 

Nope,Gun control is not the issue here.I watched on the news where they were talking to the gun dealer where this guy bought his guns and they did everything right.They checked his ID,ran a background,the whole nine yards.In the U.S. it is a right to have guns so the objective then becomes keeping them out of our schools.

 

So we should blame the peice of metal that is useless w/o a crazy @$$ person to use it on someone? Good idea...........or not! Regardless of gun control laws if ya want a firearm in this country the right amount of money will get it, and it's untraceable/ no serial number. So good idea, make it harder for the honest person to get one that way the criminal has an easier time doing his crimes with the gun he bought off the street!

I don't know how to stop this, but I have a question...........where have all the men gone?

Why did no one try to stop **** chung the other day? What happened to the people who would rather impead the perpetraitor and risk their life to save another's than cut and run or play dead?

We cannot arm the children(below college), but what about the teachers and staff? I don't think it's a bad idea. They have to pass a thorough background check just to get the job, why not let them conceal w/o the students knowing simply for the sake of saving a few lives. And in college- if your old enough to carry and don't cause a disturbance with the arms in class, by God carry, and if it happens at your school, the body count would be alot less if the odds are even.

 

yes, canada is much lower with gun control BUT, different culture, different people, different set of rules.

there is no way someone can say that americans and canadians are similar. just cross from detroit into canada and you will see a distinct difference in the way people are.

heck, when i lived in washington state and went to canada i could tell the difference, attitudes about everything in life is different among a lot of people.

in america they can not do a few things, keep illegal drugs out, keep illegal people out, so what makes everyone think all of a sudden they will keep illegal guns out? there would be illegal gun makers everywhere if there was all of a sudden a ban, and guess what, only the criminals with intent will be purchasing them to wreck havoc on the unarmed society.

the UK has only 45 murders with a population of over 50 million.

gun control works great in a lot of societies, but not in america's. just the same greece doesn't have drinking laws because they don't even have an alcohol problem in the first place even though a person any age can buy alcohol anywhere, try that in america and see what happens.

different culture. and that is that, nothing can do about it unless there is some slow social change that comes about, there is a social change but in the wrong direction in my opinion.

 

I agree!!...There has to be some Old schooling here some where!. I personally don't know what the answer is. These kids now are raised with no value of worth! Take it back to the parents?

 

why didn't anyone stop him? fromjust my speculation, i think he practiced with those guns before, i know it was not his first time shooting them.

if he practiced, and practiced quick reloading, there would be no practicle way for someone to even approach someone with a handgun, the rapid firing and quick reloading would most certainly suppress any attempt back, or before a person even realized he had to reload the time to act would have passed.

now if he had a rifle that would been different, or a shotgun, there would be a definite longer period to load the magazine than with a pistol.

 

Gun control isn't the answer, it's a knee-jerk measure made by someone who refuses to see the real issue. If a person kills another person by stabbing them do you blame the knife? The real issue is that violence is celebrated everywhere a kid looks and parents refuse to raise their kids and try too hard to be "one of the gang".

The best thing my parents ever did was to raise me instead of just watching me grow up. If I had a problem, they helped me fix it. If I did something wrong, they punished me. Kids need discipline and too many parents don't teach their kids that there are consequences for their actions. Combine that with the violence that's splashed on T.V. and radio and kids get the wrong idea about life and respect for others. If parents were able to discipline their kids without the fear of CPS coming and taking their kids away, then you'd see a lot more kids doing better in life then they currently do.

Parents just need to be involved in their kids lives and if they were, there'd be a lot less of these shootings going on IMO.

 

Good point!! He had the secound gun, a 22 for back up during reload!!

 

One other thing I was wondering and havent see on the news.What about campus security?Where were they?And isnt there at least one security officer in each building?If not there should be,with the amount of money that tuition costs!

 

Those are Rent a cop!! you really think there going to put there live on the line for 10 bucks an hour???

 

they are not rent a cops. the have their own police force. remember, the place is the size of a town, 2600 acres and over 20k students.

why were they not there? i imagine it takes sometime to respond, and not only that, they are responding to an active shooting happening, trying to get bearings on the situation in that amount of time without making a mistake is hard.

i have been in not those types, but tactical response type situations, if a person isn't trained real good,natural at it, or have experience, there is going to be some hesitation in those types of responses in order to not make things worse.

 

I thought this kid was not a citizen??


http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/com...ent/index.html

 

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Where you live that might be the case. Here in the UNLV Campus the case is Monetary issues warrant the contract by dollars!!