it is a truly sad world we live in when people are unwilling to give up an object that was made for one thing and one thing only. TAKING A LIFE!!!! Whether it be animal or human that is what firearms were invented for




Jim

 

whats sadder is we live in a world that makes having that object almost a requirment to live so we don't get killed by others having that object when they are not suppose to.

and what is even sadder is living in a world which the gov would love to shove its authority down its throat but can't do to the threat of an armed uprising by the people, so then it keeps the gov in check.

 

see we don't have that problem here in canada. When i walk into a shopping mall as an example I don't have to wonder who's packin and who's not



Jim

 

PLEASE!Lets not turn this into an issue about gun control.Lets stick to the thoughts about how we can stop these things from happening in our schools.If it turns into a debate about gun control,then people will start getting nasty and the mods will be forced to close this thread.There has been some interesting thoughts going on here,so lets stay on the subject,please.

 

^What he said^

 

It seems he bought his ammo clips on EBAY http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18246522/




Jim

 

The Bath school massacre happened in 1927....

 

[QUOTE=taisa899]It seems he bought his ammo clips on EBAY http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18246522/


So? he could have bought them at the local store...what's the point?...there's no laws against buying gun parts; other than recievers...I am a teacher and an avid gun collector and hunter, member SCI and NRA, CA Pistol and Rifle and all points made the truth lies in the problem of why, not how. Realize that "how" is only a minor detail for someone set on commiting such a crime. I used to have a CCW in my prior job, but the NTA would never allow teacher to carrry weapons to politically incorrect. I carry a large folder and was called on it by an administrator...I pointed out that the laws state "...no student", however..."faculty, classified or unclassified may [carry] knives on site...[for] personal use". Never heard anything more about it.

I honestly think in our society of complaciency that PC has gotten to the point these things combined with the glorification of violence in media, have given rise to the disreguard of human life.

 

no point just passing on breaking news. Don't go postal on us





Jim

 

Im not sure how things work at V.T. But it seems to me that if indeed there were signs that this guy was a loose cannon somebody should have given campus security a heads up so at least they could have kept an eye on him.

 

Teach ur children to stay aware of their surroundings, discourage them from always having an ipod stuck in their ears, teach them to always learn their surroundings, and how to escape if a door may be blocked. BTW, Escaping means they have to be physically fit! Teach them that fires happen, earthquakes come, tornadoes and floods, and the occasional psycho comes. Teach ur children that their is no safe place to hide. Teach them that God gave them two eyes, two ears and two feet, to sense danger and get the hell out of there.

Being on guard all the time may be too difficult for some too handle, but when it comes down to it, at some point the theory of survival of the fittest will take affect. The slow kid may not kid away, the dummie with the headphones on, sitting a daze from a 40 of beer may not get away.
Staying alert at all times may be one the best ways to stay alive.

No controls or legislation of anykind will protect us...if it isn't a gunman, it may be a speeding drunk, or a terrorist. There are 1000's of ways to get killed. There was noway to stop that gunman! IF there wasn't one gun in the entire country, he may have made a bomb. If there were no explosives available, he would have set a fire. If the building was fire proof, he could have run a car right down the sidewalk and run them over.

Don't forget John wayne Gacy either..he lured 33 victims to his hell-hole with rewards and kindness. Like I said..1000's of ways too die.

 

This is a quote from someone on Craigs list here, I thought it had some good points, sorry about the format...

I think it started when Madeline Murray O'Hare complained
> > > She didn't want any prayer in our schools.
> > >
> > > And a loud minority said, OK, and the Government Followed suit.
> > > Then, someone said you better not:
> > >
> > > Read the Bible in school;
> > > the Bible that says
> > > "thou shalt not kill,
> > > Thou shalt not steal,
> > > And love your neighbors as yourself,"
> > >
> > > And a loud minority said, OK, and the Government Followed suit....
> > >
> > > -----------------
> > >
> > > Dr. Benjamin Spock said
> > > We shouldn't spank our children
> > > When they misbehaved
> > > Because their little personalities
> > > Would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem.
> > >
> > > And we said,
> > > An expert should know what he's talking about
> > > So we won't spank them anymore..
> > >
> > > ------------------
> > >
> > > Then someone said
> > > Teachers and principals better not
> > > Discipline our children when they misbehave.
> > > And the school administrators said
> > > No faculty member in this school
> > > Better touch a student when they misbehave
> > > Because we don't want any bad publicity,
> > > And we surely don't want to be sued.
> > >
> > > And we accepted their reasoning...
> > > Now we're asking ourselves
> > > Why our children have no conscience,
> > > Why they don't know right from wrong,
> > > And why it doesn't bother them to
> > > Kill strangers, classmates or even themselves.

 

When I walk into a shopping mall around here, I don't worry about who's packing and who's not also..........

 

Sad to you maybe.......Taking of life involves self-defense too, you know.......Why should the OVERWHELMING majority of people who are doing nothing wrong give up their guns?.......To prove how "hip" and "sensitive" and "with it" they are?........

The cold, hard, "sad" world in which we live dictates that there are those who live in this "sad" world who really need their lives taken away from them......If only someone who was in the right place at the right time had taken Cho's life away from him before he decided it would be a good idea to butcher 32 productive lives in his sick rampage.......We'd be better off then, would we not?........For damn sure, the victims and their families would be.......

 

As being a teacher, this could not come at a worse time with 4/20 being the anniversary of Columbine all schools were on “high alert”. We received three extra police officers on 4/20 to be on the safe side.

As to why people did not “man-up” and try to stop this “individual”. My first thing to do in a crisis situation is lock down my room and get my kids into a safe place. From there my job is to keep my student calm and make sure that nobody enters the room. The most offensive weapon I have in my room is metal rods for lab set-ups. We have been told that if the CRT (SWAT) enters the room they WILL shoot people that are standing up, because they will be perceived as a threat and eliminated. As you can see, my hands are tied just trying to keep 25 or more teenagers quit and off their phones. I also have three doors to guard, but it someone did try to get into the room, I can say that they would have a broken arm as I would use the rods. I WILL go home at the end of the day.

I have a CCW, but it is illegal for me to have my gun on campus and I could/would lose my job if I did have it.

Also remember that the media is a prime problem with some issues. When is the last time you heard good news about anything?