Whow!!!!! sounds like Zach is running for preident of fte or something he he. The tornado thing was a hoax, it was thrown in to try and prove a point, to bash performance products as a whole. The performance people here saw through it. Matt took it serious, but knew where it was heading all the same. This forum has eased up alot, they even allow us to direct people to other sites to get the help they need. For example, 5.0 conversions, I have directed alot of people to james duff enterprises for conversion parts, Zach has done the same with advanced adapters. As a whole we try and work with the sponsors, but some times they just don't have what the people need. Our mods think it's more important to help people than push the sponsors in some cases. For the most part we have a great bunch of sponsors that carry just about anything one would need, but there are exceptions. I have ordered from some of our sponsors, and need some stuff now, just waiting for Bob Jusnes to make those light tabs. I push the sponsors where I can, now that Jusnes sells bama, it makes it even eaisier. "Heck", for all I know one of our sponsors may even sell those air restricting tornado's, I haven't really looked. We have gotten away with a lot in some of our arguments in the past on different topics, sometimes the mods jumped into the arguments themselfs, to try and keep things interesting. They also know when enough is enough. We have great mods and an awesome forum, nothing in life is perfect, including the ranger forum, but it comes sooooo! close. I personally would like to thank Ken, Matt and Rob for the job they do in keeping this a enjoyable and informitive place to come and hang your hat for a while each day.

 

I do consider it a privilege and an honor to be a member of FTE.
Yes I did agree with the rules and regulations here, but I think that they are open to personal interpretation. Some of them are use with a lot more vigor on some people then others. Now before I get the wrath of all the Moderators, I do understand that you have a hard job and you do it quit well{I don't want it}. Just be fair. If you let a thread go on about a mod because 95% of the people agree with it and close the one that 85% disagree with, is not fair.
Fordboy 52 this is not personal attack on you, Please don't take it as a personal attack, your closeing of a post was bought up and I use it to make my piont. You had your reasons and I respect it. I just don't agree with it.
I have made my point, agree or disagree with it that is your choice.

 

There are legal issues involved here that, it seems, you have no knowledge of.

Other sites my choose to except the risk (or have no knowledge of the legal ramifications)...that is their business. While we may desire to allow these discussions, there are times when a site...especially of this magnitude...must follow the advice of their legal authority....Sadly, a part of life we must recognize and address... in today's world.

 

If lemon Laws applies in your state ie.Ga. ,why cant you tell someone about it if you don't get into the legal issues? {You might have a lemon law case, check with a lawyer} is that wrong? Just want to know.

 

This shows how utterly misinformed you are. In 2005 FTE's user registration records were called in a subpoena due to a lawyer's attempt to use FTE (and another Ford truck site) as his harvesting ground for a class action lawsuit. It cost me a lot of money fighting this off, and its utterly unfair for you to cost my business money (which ultimately means my family) simply because you want to use FTE to gather information to sue someone.

 

I must be missing something. I've been a member for quite some time and have never had a problem, which is more than I can say for some of the other forums I frequent.

 

I realize I'm a noob, but I really enjoy the forum and have learned a lot. Thanks to everyone who posts for your thoughts.

 

I take it as "DO NOT BRING UP THE LEMON LAW ON FTE!!"
The FTE God has spoken!!

Hi Ken long time no see. Hope you and yours are doing OK.
Jeff

 

Rp sumed it up fairly well. Just because supporters give them money, doesn't mean the admins are less watchfull over what we say and/or do on the forums.

I think problems arise because of the way people understand the rules of the forum(and other places). The way i understand them keeps me out of truoble, by preventing me from saying stuff that perhaps may not be allowed on this forum. the few times i have done something, it was explained why i couldn't do that, i accepeted, and moved on. (Hopefully the admins like me better for that.) I don't mind answering peoples questions. I kinda miss the old discusions we'ld have on this forum, but thats in the past.

 

Don't sweat it Alan, were bound to get some more performance haters and the fight will be on he he. I can understand Ken wanting to stay away from legal issue's, thats not something that has to be discussed here, why take food from his families mouths. Ain't none of us lawyers anyway, what do we know. The rules already get bent and twisted enough. You know the old saying, "give them an inch and they will take a mile".Thier pretty leanant here on most things, but if they take a hard line on a particular subject, we should respect that, it's not like it makes or breaks the forum. That what I mean about staying out of the polotics, just read and post, enjoy the site and leave the polotics to admin. What more do people want, you can use the forums and the benifits there of free of charge, if you want to be a suporter you can, or it doesn't have to cost you a dime. "GEEZZ, what do people want for nothing.

 

Maybe 'fighting if off' was your problem. If somebody subpoena's something, give it to them. How much would that have cost you? In the end, it would have been of no value to the lawyer because courts won't admit hearsay testimony and a BBS is nothing but hearsay.

Something doesn't jive here because buybacks, lemons and lemon laws are discussed freely at a similar Ford site.
http://Cat=0&Board=2003Drivetrain1&N...ue#Post3286084

In the end, though, it is your forum. Run it as you like. If you want to censor any criticism of Ford, that's your prerogative. But it is really counterproductive to the free exchange of information and in the end, people find out what you're trying to squelch anyway.

I'll be surprised if this post lives long and if you boot me, so be it.

So long folks!

 

Why is there so much whinning over this one topic, how often does it even come up? This is not supost to be a bash ford site, there's enough of that on the general automotive forum. If people have a bone to pick, then they should pick it with ford. I've had, and driven fords all my life without any major problems of any kind. People don't get censored for bashing ford here, just check out the general automotive section, alot of guy's there slam ford like a barn door and praise toyota like God built it himself. Thats just what I want to see when I come to a ford site, but it is a free country. It sounds like some are trying to pick a fight with Ken, if so, then maybe they should go to the PM system instead of the open forum, this is heading no place good. It's crazy worring over one issue that we shouldn't discuss, when there's a million we can.

 

This is a good thing really. Suppliers are always looking for input to increase service or products people want. If the sponsors (and you know that they're reading our posts) see that there's something out there that's creating a buzz, and they don't have it, you can bet that they'll try to get it. And for those that have it and aren't sponsors, it might convince them to sponsor the site since we all favour sponsors whenever possible. This should play out that way and this site is doing it right by allowing that sort of discussion.
As for the 'legal' issues, Ken is right. We don't need to bring him any financial grief with the ambulance chasers out there. Use PM's whenever you have something of that nature and keep it off of the public portion of the forum. The fella's just trying to provide a fun and usefull service for us all and trying to make a buck at it for his efforts-Like any one of us would do!!! - if we could . Good for you Ken and keep up the good work

Fred

 

fflintstone, I totally agree, you hit the nail right on the head, a good post my man!!Ken can't make everyone happy, but it seems that there are more that are, than aren't. I've been here awhile and haven't had any problems except for others trying to get me involved with the polotics of the site, in which I'm not interested. I'm here to discuss one of my pasions, ford trucks.

 

We value our members privacy - and Ken did what he could do to defend that.

And it isn't hearsay testimony... they can get personal details of users, use these details to contact them and harrass them.
Lawyers effectively using this site as farming grounds for thier own personal adgenda's.

Its not why this site is here. We are here to provide a service to the Ford truck owning community as a whole, not someone with thier own best interests at heart... and no respect whatsoever for anyone else...
In fairness - how other people run a site is thier business, and thiers alone, but from our experience it isn't the best way to do things... but its thier choice...
I think this comment is a little unfair.
Check out the Ford vs. Competition forum (specifically some of the threads on the Tundra vs. F150) - its full of criticism against Ford, and thier inability to provide a product that the market place demands.

We only make a restriction with regards to legal related comments.
Dissapointing... but ultimately your choice...