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Can dealer detect chips?
I have a question for everyone. I have a 2007 F350 Dually with the 6.0. I would like to do some upgrades. In reading thru the posts it seems the order is as follows:
1. Bigger intake box / filter
2. Gauges
3. Exhaust
4. Chip / Programmer
I like what I have read about SCT. My question is can it be "un-chipped". In other words, if a problem develops with the truck, can the dealer detect the presence of a programmer? Or is there a way to hide / remove it? I don't want to install go gast stuff and be on the hook for $$$ repair bills.
I have a 65 Pontiac that is plenty fast and expensive enough already!
1. Bigger intake box / filter
2. Gauges
3. Exhaust
4. Chip / Programmer
I like what I have read about SCT. My question is can it be "un-chipped". In other words, if a problem develops with the truck, can the dealer detect the presence of a programmer? Or is there a way to hide / remove it? I don't want to install go gast stuff and be on the hook for $$$ repair bills.
I have a 65 Pontiac that is plenty fast and expensive enough already!
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However, if the dealership reads the logs/DTC close enough, they may see out of spec data. I have only heard one internet rumor about them doing so, so I wouldn't worry too much about it. Yes, you can return to stock and you should return it to stock whenever you carry it to a dealership. Dealerships could update your PCM and if the tuner doesn't recognise you new calibration it will not allow you to program it.
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Originally Posted by sawboy
I have a question for everyone. I have a 2007 F350 Dually with the 6.0. I would like to do some upgrades. In reading thru the posts it seems the order is as follows:
1. Bigger intake box / filter
2. Gauges
3. Exhaust
4. Chip / Programmer
I like what I have read about SCT. My question is can it be "un-chipped". In other words, if a problem develops with the truck, can the dealer detect the presence of a programmer? Or is there a way to hide / remove it? I don't want to install go gast stuff and be on the hook for $$$ repair bills.
I have a 65 Pontiac that is plenty fast and expensive enough already!
1. Bigger intake box / filter
2. Gauges
3. Exhaust
4. Chip / Programmer
I like what I have read about SCT. My question is can it be "un-chipped". In other words, if a problem develops with the truck, can the dealer detect the presence of a programmer? Or is there a way to hide / remove it? I don't want to install go gast stuff and be on the hook for $$$ repair bills.
I have a 65 Pontiac that is plenty fast and expensive enough already!
That's fraudulent,and is exactly why so many honest people are having trouble getting their legitimate warranty claims done without hassles.
If you want to modify it-pay for it when it breaks. If you don't want to pay for repairs-then don't modify it until the warranty is expired. Starting in '08 on the Focus and all of the 6.4L Diesel trucks already have parameters in place to count the number of times the PCM has been reflashed/changed,and there's no known way at the current time to get around it. It's coming on all new vehicles-the manufacturers are fed up with paying for repairs caused by people that break their vehicles after modding,and then bring them back into the dealership like they've done nothing wrong.
JL
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Originally Posted by Johnny Langton
So-you're wanting to alter the OEM calibration on the truck,and if/when you break it-you expect the manufacturer to repair it even after you've altered it from the way they built and warranty it?
That's fraudulent,and is exactly why so many honest people are having trouble getting their legitimate warranty claims done without hassles.
If you want to modify it-pay for it when it breaks. If you don't want to pay for repairs-then don't modify it until the warranty is expired. The new '08 model Focus and Diesel trucks already have parameters in place to count the number of times the PCM has been reflashed/changed,and there's no known way at the current time to get around it. It's coming on all new vehicles-the manufacturers are fed up with paying for repairs caused by people that break their vehicles after modding,and then bring them back into the dealership like they've done nothing wrong.
JL
That's fraudulent,and is exactly why so many honest people are having trouble getting their legitimate warranty claims done without hassles.
If you want to modify it-pay for it when it breaks. If you don't want to pay for repairs-then don't modify it until the warranty is expired. The new '08 model Focus and Diesel trucks already have parameters in place to count the number of times the PCM has been reflashed/changed,and there's no known way at the current time to get around it. It's coming on all new vehicles-the manufacturers are fed up with paying for repairs caused by people that break their vehicles after modding,and then bring them back into the dealership like they've done nothing wrong.
JL
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Johnny, thanks for not answering the question I asked. Your opinion is just that. Unless you can answer the question I have asked, I respectfully ask that you refrain from responding to this post. You obviously have no interest in answering the question, but rather you wish to push your opinion on me. I neither asked for your opinion, nor do I want it. You see, opinions are like butt-cracks. Everyone has one, and they all stink.
Have a great day, and GOD bless.
Have a great day, and GOD bless.
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Originally Posted by sawboy
Johnny, thanks for not answering the question I asked. Your opinion is just that. Unless you can answer the question I have asked, I respectfully ask that you refrain from responding to this post. You obviously have no interest in answering the question, but rather you wish to push your opinion on me. I neither asked for your opinion, nor do I want it. You see, opinions are like butt-cracks. Everyone has one, and they all stink.
Have a great day, and GOD bless.
Have a great day, and GOD bless.
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Your right, it was answered. Just not by you. You just wanted to express your "still" un-needed opinion, and call names.
I will respond no further to your ramblings. Your intelligence is sorely lacking for any real exchange of views (thus your need to call names). It is this lack of intelligence that scares me. It is folly to argue with an idiot, for they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Bye Bye Troll, and good luck with your "Protect Ford Warranty" march!
I will respond no further to your ramblings. Your intelligence is sorely lacking for any real exchange of views (thus your need to call names). It is this lack of intelligence that scares me. It is folly to argue with an idiot, for they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Bye Bye Troll, and good luck with your "Protect Ford Warranty" march!
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Originally Posted by sawboy
Your right, it was answered. Just not by you. You just wanted to express your "still" un-needed opinion, and call names.
I will respond no further to your ramblings. Your intelligence is sorely lacking for any real exchange of views (thus your need to call names). It is this lack of intelligence that scares me. It is folly to argue with an idiot, for they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Bye Bye Troll, and good luck with your "Protect Ford Warranty" march!
I will respond no further to your ramblings. Your intelligence is sorely lacking for any real exchange of views (thus your need to call names). It is this lack of intelligence that scares me. It is folly to argue with an idiot, for they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Bye Bye Troll, and good luck with your "Protect Ford Warranty" march!
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Now that's entertainment!
PS, the magnuson moss act will keep your conscience clear aslong as the tuner didn't cause the problem. http://www.impalaclub.com/naisso/magmoss.htm
PS, the magnuson moss act will keep your conscience clear aslong as the tuner didn't cause the problem. http://www.impalaclub.com/naisso/magmoss.htm
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Originally Posted by ReAX
Now that's entertainment!
PS, the magnuson moss act will keep your conscience clear aslong as the tuner didn't cause the problem. http://www.impalaclub.com/naisso/magmoss.htm
PS, the magnuson moss act will keep your conscience clear aslong as the tuner didn't cause the problem. http://www.impalaclub.com/naisso/magmoss.htm
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Originally Posted by sawboy
Your right, it was answered. Just not by you. You just wanted to express your "still" un-needed opinion, and call names.
I will respond no further to your ramblings. Your intelligence is sorely lacking for any real exchange of views (thus your need to call names). It is this lack of intelligence that scares me. It is folly to argue with an idiot, for they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Bye Bye Troll, and good luck with your "Protect Ford Warranty" march!
I will respond no further to your ramblings. Your intelligence is sorely lacking for any real exchange of views (thus your need to call names). It is this lack of intelligence that scares me. It is folly to argue with an idiot, for they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Bye Bye Troll, and good luck with your "Protect Ford Warranty" march!
Pot,Kettle.
Go ahead and mod it,break it,and see how much response you get from the dealers when they find signs of those mods.They're looking for ANY reason to void powertrain warranties on diesels right now,and they know what to look for.
JL