Best Oil Filter?
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Given that the oil turns black primarily because of soot, which is almost sub-micronic, and given that any full-flow filter - of any brand - filters down to only 15-20 microns, it doesn't seem likely that the full-flow filter has any input to the oil-darkness equation at all. If someone is getting cleaner-looking oil at a higher mileage than others are, it's most likely that their engine is letting less soot get past the rings per mile.
I use a bypass filter (Baldwin), and my oil turns as black as the old Arco One gasser lube oil was. My Blackstone reports have come back reading almost as good as virgin oil, and in fact ONE did! (I'll be happy to share the Blackstone PDF if anyone wants to see the proof of that!) The stuff I send off is as black as the inside of my exhaust pipe. ;-))
Fifty years ago, in gasoline engines, black oil was a good sign that it was time for an oil change. We're dealing with different fuel, different formulations of oil, and different ignition methods today. Old "rules" may not apply to actual engine wear issues. They can continue to live on in our heads, however.
That sub-micronic coloration in the oil is not much of a factor in wear. Black oil is not necessarily bad oil. Only a lab can tell you that.
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I use a bypass filter (Baldwin), and my oil turns as black as the old Arco One gasser lube oil was. My Blackstone reports have come back reading almost as good as virgin oil, and in fact ONE did! (I'll be happy to share the Blackstone PDF if anyone wants to see the proof of that!) The stuff I send off is as black as the inside of my exhaust pipe. ;-))
Fifty years ago, in gasoline engines, black oil was a good sign that it was time for an oil change. We're dealing with different fuel, different formulations of oil, and different ignition methods today. Old "rules" may not apply to actual engine wear issues. They can continue to live on in our heads, however.
That sub-micronic coloration in the oil is not much of a factor in wear. Black oil is not necessarily bad oil. Only a lab can tell you that.
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Originally Posted by wlihntr
i dont use amsoil either i use mobil 1 delvac. so you are sying you want the oil to be black so things like this: http://filtrationsolutionsww.com/ $500.00 bypass oil filer system which keeps your oil cleaner long is just a complete waste of money and in fact is worse for your engine than if the oil was black and full of soot and contaminats?
as far as the mobli 1 filter here is some of the info i found in oil filter tests that i used to make my decision :
Mobil 1 oil and oil filters have long had an outstanding reputation. The filters have a synthetic element media and the strongest shell on the market. The outside shell is .0195" thick on the large ML-301 or .0170" thick on the smaller ML209. Mobil 1 is maybe the most forthcoming with information since for a long time they have been the 100-year-old scotch of quality oil filters. They are proud of their "Hydrostatic Burst" values which are three times the SAE standard. Their "Pressure Impulse Cycles to Failure" values which are the highest, and only ones I have found; which mean the guts of the filter are made like a tank. The whole filter is an engineering exercise in loving design excess. Is it the best oil filter made or has anyone come up with a better design while Mobil 1 has rested on it's reputation? Lacking extensive and expensive laboratory tests I can only say Mobil Oil filters are somewhere in the top three, in a class of outstanding over achievers. Like all top shelf oil filters the going rate seems to be about $10 off the shelf or $9 if you can cheese a jobber price.
Like the Champ filter, this filter is made by Champion Labs. However, it uses a unique end plate and a thicker can that make it the strongest filter available for wide distribution retail sale. It also uses a synthetic media, which inproves filtration and flow. I'm happy to say that this filter is not a fake. It is definitely a unique design.
It uses a synthetic fiber element that can filter out very small particles and is very strong. It is rated just under the Purolator Pure One as far as filtering capability, but is still very much above conventional paper filters. It also has a very strong construction to withstand high pressure spikes during start-up. However, as with all Mobil 1 products, expect to pay 2 - 3 times as much for this filter.
Mobil 1
This filter is made by Champion Labs and uses a synthetic fiber element that can filter out very small particles. It is rated by the manufacturer at just under the Purolator Pure One as far as filtering capability, but is still very much above conventional paper filters. It also has a very strong construction to withstand high pressure spikes during start-up. Given the choice between the Purolator Pure One and the Mobil 1 filters, I would choose the Mobil 1 because of the restriction concerns of the Pure One. However, as with all Mobil 1 products, expect to pay 2 - 3 times as much for this filter. I have seen this filter sold at AutoZone and K-mart.
and some more info:
Oil Analysis has proved the value of maintaining fluid cleanliness in extending both equipment life and oil life. Today, it is an accepted truth - keeping lubricating oils cleaner and dryer can lead to significant improvements in equipment reliability. From gearboxes to hydraulics, engines to steam turbines, cleaner oil results in longer equipment life
Clean, dry oil can extend equipment life between failure up to 8 - 10 times the normal operating life. Bearing manufacturers, reports that reducing water levels from 100 ppm (parts per million) to 25 ppm increases bearing life 2 times. British hydraulics research indicate that if solids contamination with particles larger than 5 micron (0.005 mm or 0.0002”) is reduced from the range of 5,000 – 10,000 particles per milliliter of oil to 160 – 320 particles, the machine life is increased 5 times.
Eighty percent of all component failures in hydraulic systems, can be traced back to contaminated oil. By implementing an Oil Filtration System you will contribute to reduce this amount down to zero percent. Purchasing a Filtration Unit is not a cost, but an investment. While you are reducing your machineries downtime, reducing purchases of spare parts, system filters and new oil you will see for yourself how fast your investment pays off.
The removal of wear-causing particles and contaminants from lubricating oil can substantially extend the life of lubricants and the engines they service. As the cost of lubricants and used lubricant disposal increase (courtesy of recent EPA regulations) more industries are enhancing engine and lubricating oil life with the most of depth-type filters. Oil Filtration offers industry the most advanced oil filtration systems and customer support which is the standard by which our competitors rate themselves!
as far as the mobli 1 filter here is some of the info i found in oil filter tests that i used to make my decision :
Mobil 1 oil and oil filters have long had an outstanding reputation. The filters have a synthetic element media and the strongest shell on the market. The outside shell is .0195" thick on the large ML-301 or .0170" thick on the smaller ML209. Mobil 1 is maybe the most forthcoming with information since for a long time they have been the 100-year-old scotch of quality oil filters. They are proud of their "Hydrostatic Burst" values which are three times the SAE standard. Their "Pressure Impulse Cycles to Failure" values which are the highest, and only ones I have found; which mean the guts of the filter are made like a tank. The whole filter is an engineering exercise in loving design excess. Is it the best oil filter made or has anyone come up with a better design while Mobil 1 has rested on it's reputation? Lacking extensive and expensive laboratory tests I can only say Mobil Oil filters are somewhere in the top three, in a class of outstanding over achievers. Like all top shelf oil filters the going rate seems to be about $10 off the shelf or $9 if you can cheese a jobber price.
Like the Champ filter, this filter is made by Champion Labs. However, it uses a unique end plate and a thicker can that make it the strongest filter available for wide distribution retail sale. It also uses a synthetic media, which inproves filtration and flow. I'm happy to say that this filter is not a fake. It is definitely a unique design.
It uses a synthetic fiber element that can filter out very small particles and is very strong. It is rated just under the Purolator Pure One as far as filtering capability, but is still very much above conventional paper filters. It also has a very strong construction to withstand high pressure spikes during start-up. However, as with all Mobil 1 products, expect to pay 2 - 3 times as much for this filter.
Mobil 1
This filter is made by Champion Labs and uses a synthetic fiber element that can filter out very small particles. It is rated by the manufacturer at just under the Purolator Pure One as far as filtering capability, but is still very much above conventional paper filters. It also has a very strong construction to withstand high pressure spikes during start-up. Given the choice between the Purolator Pure One and the Mobil 1 filters, I would choose the Mobil 1 because of the restriction concerns of the Pure One. However, as with all Mobil 1 products, expect to pay 2 - 3 times as much for this filter. I have seen this filter sold at AutoZone and K-mart.
and some more info:
Oil Analysis has proved the value of maintaining fluid cleanliness in extending both equipment life and oil life. Today, it is an accepted truth - keeping lubricating oils cleaner and dryer can lead to significant improvements in equipment reliability. From gearboxes to hydraulics, engines to steam turbines, cleaner oil results in longer equipment life
Clean, dry oil can extend equipment life between failure up to 8 - 10 times the normal operating life. Bearing manufacturers, reports that reducing water levels from 100 ppm (parts per million) to 25 ppm increases bearing life 2 times. British hydraulics research indicate that if solids contamination with particles larger than 5 micron (0.005 mm or 0.0002”) is reduced from the range of 5,000 – 10,000 particles per milliliter of oil to 160 – 320 particles, the machine life is increased 5 times.
Eighty percent of all component failures in hydraulic systems, can be traced back to contaminated oil. By implementing an Oil Filtration System you will contribute to reduce this amount down to zero percent. Purchasing a Filtration Unit is not a cost, but an investment. While you are reducing your machineries downtime, reducing purchases of spare parts, system filters and new oil you will see for yourself how fast your investment pays off.
The removal of wear-causing particles and contaminants from lubricating oil can substantially extend the life of lubricants and the engines they service. As the cost of lubricants and used lubricant disposal increase (courtesy of recent EPA regulations) more industries are enhancing engine and lubricating oil life with the most of depth-type filters. Oil Filtration offers industry the most advanced oil filtration systems and customer support which is the standard by which our competitors rate themselves!
If your running this wounderful piece of technology on your truck and it maintains your oil cleanliness to the point were your oil is clear............great.
If your running your standard oil filter with engine oil that stays clear on its own, not great. This means that the oil is not performing its duties of holding this dirt in suspension.
What does this mean, a poor quality oil that will not hold this dirt suspinsion and stays clear is bad. Put this poor quality oil into this "mirracle filter" will not cary the deposit's to the filter to be filtered which is..............bad.
An oil that turns dark, black with a standard filter is good.
An oil that turns black from being burnt is bad
