Motorcraft From Wal-mart $9.95

 

Wally motorcrafts here too. Can't beat em for what they are and price.

 

From a mechanics standpoint, I've seen to many fleetgaurds split at the top seam.

WIX or Baldwin.............

 

I like Baldwin. Never had a problem with them.

 

Yep, me too! Been using since 1st oil change.

 

As always you guys are great thanks

 

mobil 1. i have always used the motorcraft filters and my oil was pretty black after 1000 or so miles. since i switched to the mobil 1 the oil is still pretty clear after 3000 miles

 

i read in another post where you said this same thing, so i became inclined to give it a try. I can get the filters at AutoZone for $10 (same $$ as the motorcrafts). I didnt notice a differnece at all, my oil was balck after a short period of driving! I am going to give it one more try at the next oil change. mybe my truck just doesnt like them!

 

Here is my opinion-

But the thing is, you WANT the oil to turn black! It means that the oil is doing it's job of picking up the carbon and other chemical deposits, and taking it to the filter to be strained out. Oil that stays clean alot longer means that it is not attaching itself to the deposits in the engine, and now the deposits fall down to the crankcase where it sits in the pan, or it gets sucked back up and ran through the engine, bearings, turbocharger, and even the injectors.

 

thanks kris..i thought clean oil for a long time was not a good sighn of cleaning the engine and the oil going back through....mine turns black after a bout 1000 miles..i use a wix..last oil test was 5000k on the oil..it was black and black stone said i have very good oil filtration..ill pay the extra and keep my wix..

 

well i am sorry, but i am going to stand by the theory that the longer the oil stays clear, the better it is for the engine

 

I'll 2nd that, the more the engine oil changes color the more its holding carbon and deposits in suspinsion, no oil filter can filter out these deposits that is in suspinsion. The filter will filter out hard materials like steel, zinc and copper in the engine. Naturally some of the carbon will be trapped but that is the oil's responsibility.

Another huge difference that keeps engine oil cleaner, change your oil when the oil is hot and walk away for 15-30 minutes while draining and go do something else. Finish the change then check your oil after a few thousand miles and compare.

 

yes, the more the oil changes color, it means that the dirt and stuff is in the oil suspension, instead of staying in the engine. Thats the point of changing the oil, you want to get that stuff OUT of the engine, instead of letting it sit. The actual oil never "wears out", as it stays oil forever, but along with losing additives, it gains deposits and needs to be flushed out. Another thing i think i am going to do this next time, is suck the HPO reservoir dry with our new vacuum pump, and fill it with clean oil. The fact that it holds just about a quart, it takes 100 miles or so for the oil in the HPO reservoir and rails and system to make it's way out of the top end back into the crankcase, that REALLY turns the oil black fast becuase it just mixes in with new oil.

Wlihntr, have you been sniffing Amsoil? That is their claim, that their oil is so good, it stays clear for a very long time. But reread what i said above and that will explain why i don't use amsoil.

 

i dont use amsoil either i use mobil 1 delvac. so you are sying you want the oil to be black so things like this: http://filtrationsolutionsww.com/ $500.00 bypass oil filer system which keeps your oil cleaner long is just a complete waste of money and in fact is worse for your engine than if the oil was black and full of soot and contaminats?

as far as the mobli 1 filter here is some of the info i found in oil filter tests that i used to make my decision :


Mobil 1 oil and oil filters have long had an outstanding reputation. The filters have a synthetic element media and the strongest shell on the market. The outside shell is .0195" thick on the large ML-301 or .0170" thick on the smaller ML209. Mobil 1 is maybe the most forthcoming with information since for a long time they have been the 100-year-old scotch of quality oil filters. They are proud of their "Hydrostatic Burst" values which are three times the SAE standard. Their "Pressure Impulse Cycles to Failure" values which are the highest, and only ones I have found; which mean the guts of the filter are made like a tank. The whole filter is an engineering exercise in loving design excess. Is it the best oil filter made or has anyone come up with a better design while Mobil 1 has rested on it's reputation? Lacking extensive and expensive laboratory tests I can only say Mobil Oil filters are somewhere in the top three, in a class of outstanding over achievers. Like all top shelf oil filters the going rate seems to be about $10 off the shelf or $9 if you can cheese a jobber price.


Like the Champ filter, this filter is made by Champion Labs. However, it uses a unique end plate and a thicker can that make it the strongest filter available for wide distribution retail sale. It also uses a synthetic media, which inproves filtration and flow. I'm happy to say that this filter is not a fake. It is definitely a unique design.
It uses a synthetic fiber element that can filter out very small particles and is very strong. It is rated just under the Purolator Pure One as far as filtering capability, but is still very much above conventional paper filters. It also has a very strong construction to withstand high pressure spikes during start-up. However, as with all Mobil 1 products, expect to pay 2 - 3 times as much for this filter.


Mobil 1
This filter is made by Champion Labs and uses a synthetic fiber element that can filter out very small particles. It is rated by the manufacturer at just under the Purolator Pure One as far as filtering capability, but is still very much above conventional paper filters. It also has a very strong construction to withstand high pressure spikes during start-up. Given the choice between the Purolator Pure One and the Mobil 1 filters, I would choose the Mobil 1 because of the restriction concerns of the Pure One. However, as with all Mobil 1 products, expect to pay 2 - 3 times as much for this filter. I have seen this filter sold at AutoZone and K-mart.

and some more info:

Oil Analysis has proved the value of maintaining fluid cleanliness in extending both equipment life and oil life. Today, it is an accepted truth - keeping lubricating oils cleaner and dryer can lead to significant improvements in equipment reliability. From gearboxes to hydraulics, engines to steam turbines, cleaner oil results in longer equipment life
Clean, dry oil can extend equipment life between failure up to 8 - 10 times the normal operating life. Bearing manufacturers, reports that reducing water levels from 100 ppm (parts per million) to 25 ppm increases bearing life 2 times. British hydraulics research indicate that if solids contamination with particles larger than 5 micron (0.005 mm or 0.0002”) is reduced from the range of 5,000 – 10,000 particles per milliliter of oil to 160 – 320 particles, the machine life is increased 5 times.

Eighty percent of all component failures in hydraulic systems, can be traced back to contaminated oil. By implementing an Oil Filtration System you will contribute to reduce this amount down to zero percent. Purchasing a Filtration Unit is not a cost, but an investment. While you are reducing your machineries downtime, reducing purchases of spare parts, system filters and new oil you will see for yourself how fast your investment pays off.

The removal of wear-causing particles and contaminants from lubricating oil can substantially extend the life of lubricants and the engines they service. As the cost of lubricants and used lubricant disposal increase (courtesy of recent EPA regulations) more industries are enhancing engine and lubricating oil life with the most of depth-type filters. Oil Filtration offers industry the most advanced oil filtration systems and customer support which is the standard by which our competitors rate themselves!

 

well i'm going to take a step back and throw a wrench into this thread...

i'm going to say that it's a combination of oil quality and filter quality that makes the difference. now on my PSD, it starts getting dark around 1500 miles and gets black and ready to change at 3500 to 4000 (that's where i change it anyways, whether it needs to or not...) Basically all oil filters do the same thing, filter the oil of large particulates. now some diesel oils might have higher detergent percentages than others, that can lead to the oil turning black faster (its doing it's job) i was always under the impression that diesel oil turns black faster than a gasser is because of the soot control properites of the additives in the diesel oil (again, the oil doing it's job).
i've been using delvac with mobile1 filters and everything runs great, i'm sure that everyone has their favorite oil/filter combination, but in essence all filters are basically equal in function. i think that the environment in which the engine operates in is the determining factor in how one oil/filter combination may out perform another (based on analysis).

if you stick with main filters (wix, fram, etc..) as long as they meet SAE standards and use a good high quality diesel formulated oil (delvac rotella T ...) you should be fine. i wouldn't want to put a generic no name brand oil filter or generic oil into my truck just to save a few dollars.

just some random thoughts on the subject,

-mike